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Old 02-28-2004, 01:11 PM   #1
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Heel/Toe for Virgil Donati Double Bass Beats

Ive seen videos of people playing the heel/toe technique,but only straight 16ths. I was wondering if you can get the heel/toe technique to sound similar to the slide technique (similar to what virgil donati does) and being able to mix up 16th note single stroke double bass beats with 32nd double (like virgil donati and other drummers)

I was also wondering if you could get them as clean as other drummers (Thomas lang, Virgil Donati) who use the slide technique for doubles on a double pedal.

Thanks in Advanced
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Old 02-28-2004, 03:19 PM   #2
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In short, the answers to all your questions: yes. The heel toe technique works just as well (or even better sometimes, IMO) as the sliding technique if you practice it enough. The only issue is changing to and from the heel up position to going heel-toe, as opposed to just staying heel up for sliding, which is why guys like mangini do sliding- you don't have to change positions. I think you could overcome that with practice though.
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Old 02-29-2004, 01:03 AM   #3
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Thomas didnt practice his doubles while sliding his foot, he used heel down...
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Old 02-29-2004, 04:43 AM   #4
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He may have practiced them heel down, but he usually plays his doubles heel up, and slides them a bit, like Virgil.
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Old 02-29-2004, 05:01 AM   #5
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Every time I have heard him talk about foot technique, he stresses to you shouldnt slide... Ah well, I do see a little slide in there, I think if I stand next to him while he plays 'em, I would be able to answer!

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Old 02-29-2004, 10:21 AM   #6
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Malt,

Thomas uses alot of different foot techniques in his video, he slides a little and sometimes uses a side-to-side motion. Still, he does them with such control it sounds perfect.
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Old 02-29-2004, 11:06 AM   #7
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MaltBuddow3
I've never seen him slide his feet(Lang). Does he in the new video?


I never ment that he slides completely like some drummers, I ment he slides a bit and his heels wobble a bit (this is what he does on the video), similar technique to virgil.

P.S.Most of you guys probabley know more about Virgils and Langs foot techniques, so im here to learn
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Old 03-01-2004, 01:16 PM   #8
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Lars Ulrich... he's the reason why we all play drums.

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Old 06-28-2004, 07:39 PM   #9
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yea.lang also says he uses no bounce.............yea right
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Old 06-28-2004, 08:54 PM   #10
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LOL

Well, the best thing to do is see these drummers
up close and rationalize well everything that they
say. I hope that I get a chance to see him tomor-
rrow, here in Chicago. I have seen film of him and
I believe he's a fine drummer.

As for working on the kicks, it's not a bad idea to
practice everything both ways (heel down and up).
You will gain better control, I believe, if you do this.

Today, I sat at the pads and matched everything
that I did with my hands, with the kicks. I did a
batch of singles to doubles to triples, into parad-
ddles and then into paradiddle-diddles. After I did
these for only 15 minutes, I felt the gap between
my hands and feet close even more.

Make sure that when you are high speeds that
you are getting the higher leg elevations.

As for the notion that you can go 220 plus,
without bouncing the beaters, just remember
what your hands are doing and if it's true that
you can do it down there, you can do it up
here and vice-versa.

Really... Don't waste your time thinking too
much about what people are doing. Remember
that your body is different and that it's a battle
to know what YOU'RE doing, much less what
they are doing!

Of course, seek to understand the great players
like Virgil and Mike. Everyone has something to
tell us, if we'd just listen.
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Old 06-30-2004, 11:31 AM   #11
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I think you're wrong.

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Originally Posted by steve
He may have practiced them heel down, but he usually plays his doubles heel up, and slides them a bit, like Virgil.




From what I noticed from watching the dvd. Thomas doesn't even slide he pivots his heel from outside to inside. The front of his feet doesn't move up and down the footboard at all. At slower speeds which would be really fast for all of us. he doesn't even pivot!
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Old 06-30-2004, 08:09 PM   #12
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I can do neither one of these techniques.
Heel toe just plain hurts, and I don't slide at all.
Although I have discovered that i can do moderate Paraddidles with my bass feet on my pedal.
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Old 07-01-2004, 03:24 PM   #13
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You have to experiment.

I suggest moving your foot
down the footboard, trigger-
doubles from the lower pos-
ition and learning to control
those. You could even rest
your heels on the floor.

I'm talking about 1/3rd the
distance up from the bottom.
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Old 07-02-2004, 05:35 AM   #14
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Ehh, sounds kinda hard.
I'd have to pop my ankle outta joint in order to set my heel on the floor while playing the pedals the way I do.
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Old 07-03-2004, 08:07 PM   #15
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I've been playing double bass for a while but i still havent got the heel-toe concept.How would go about trying it
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