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06-03-2007, 12:12 AM
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single bass vs. double bass
OK, the other day i was randomly watchin' my drum vids...and i notice that lately i've been diggin' the "single pedal players" alot more...might be that the double bass mania, has got very tiresome to me...OBVIOUSLY, single pedal is not better than double pedal, and viceversa...
But i'm not talkin' about music genres here...(i mean i can't imagine death metal bands without double bass...)...i'm talkin' about drumming in general...guys like jojo mayer, or tommy igoe, tear they're drum sets apart without using double pedal licks...So please...let us hear your opinion!!! |
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06-03-2007, 08:53 PM
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Dennis Chambers
I always liked Dennis A LOT, but over the last few weeks i got a DVD: In the Pocket. I saw it with friends over 12 years ago, but NOW it seemed so much deeper seeing it this time around. So I pulled out a dozen different CD's to listen to that he plays on, and it was such a slap in the face to me, Dennis is such a badd ass! And i realize he gets so much happening with so little double bass, not to mention he's not extremely polyrhythmic(Vinnie), nor does he use intense 4 way coordination(Marco, T.Lang). I still love double bass, but I have to remind myself that single bass is important too!
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06-03-2007, 11:49 PM
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One thing that got my mind off of double bass not too long ago was drum and bass. I started to hardcore dig players like Rabb and Mayer and Greb. Rabb and Greb both use double pedals (and Jojo's just a machine, haha) but they only apply such in small doses into their music. That's what got me to actually unhook my double pedal. Haven't played with it against my own kit for a month or so now. Only against my couch for practice.
I also started doing funk gigs. So a lot of the stuff I was playing and practicing didn't require double pedal at all, so I just left the other pedal at home. Heh. And yet another influence, Garibaldi.  There are plenty of great players that play single pedal and there are plenty of great players that play double pedal. I think it's important to learn both, and then how you apply it into your music is up to you!
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06-04-2007, 05:33 AM
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Don't get me wrong seeing Virgil and Thomas tear the kit up with doubles and crazy ostinatos with double bass is sick, but lately i have been really getting into Dave Dicenso thing. Not a huge double bass guy, (But he can play pretty good double bass) but the grooves and the fills are awesome! For me a lot of times i work on double bass stuff that i don't really use a lot. Most of my playing is single pedal with a dash of double bass maybe 1 out every 20 songs we play. I think it's cool to hear double bass parts hear and there in a song. I think it sometimes make the song more interesting with a little twist. I think knowing how to play double bass is very beneficial and can really give you a lot of options when playing. I do agree listening to guys like Vinnie, Jojo, and Greb, really inspire you to kinda groove a lot more and play strictly for the music. I think Vinnie is one of those guys that just has such a command of his instrument that he just knows exactly where to place everything. (Even double bass licks!!) But i do have to say both single and double bass players are all fun to watch, because everyone has there own individual style. I never thought that one was better than the other, i think it really depends on what music you're into and the style you play.
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06-04-2007, 08:38 AM
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Doublebass is over-rated. I play single kick. If there is a song that needs doublebass, I'll pull it out, but I haven't yet.
I am a much better drummer after dropping doublebass. Doublebass is a LOOK AT ME, I AM FABULOUS kinda thing. Doublebass is great for soloing----but soloing is like doublebass, who gives a ****. ASK any band leaders(of bands that pay money) in the area if they want doublebass or drum solos, and you will not be talking with them much longer. |
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06-04-2007, 08:44 AM
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Dennis is very polyrhythmic. He just chooses to keep it straight up. He also has great 4 way coordination. |
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06-07-2007, 08:33 AM
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I think we should all be open to single footed bass as well as double.
Double bass does not have to be a show off type of playing, depending on the type of music double bass can blend in great and keep the drums from standing out too much, when this is not wanted. The only thing that bothers me to no end is when you see someone set up a double pedal to play a bunch of stuff that could be done with one. |
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06-07-2007, 04:09 PM
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This question to me is rediculous. It's like saying one stick or two!
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06-08-2007, 12:55 AM
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Just play whatever is appropriate for the music that you are enjoying/rehearsing/performing at the time. But also, why limit yourself? Double bass isn't all about playing a stream of 16th notes (fast or slow) but can be used in creative ways and for effect. But ultimately, its whatever works for the individual.
I mean, unless you have some kind of impulse control problem just having a double pedal attached to your kit during a straight up rock or funk gig does not mean you have to suddenly bust out 16th notes at 200+! Maybe you will use it for a big finish only or so on... |
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06-08-2007, 08:02 AM
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That I wouldn't say as a general matter of fact, actually it depends on the style very much. For certain rock styles the right amount of double pedal is just awesome, and for more fusion or jazz styles, improvising and soloing are very much welcome!
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06-08-2007, 04:51 PM
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06-08-2007, 09:20 PM
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Regardless, how much more effort is it to take a double pedal than a single?! If yours is such a nuisance than please tell me which pedal so I know not to buy that kind! Whether or not I have a chance to play it all night, I want the option to exist. If we were talking about bringing a set of gong-drum sky-toms I might see your point, but my double pedal takes really no more effort at all to carry so unless yours does I can't see how you could justify not taking it! Or maybe if you had an impulsive ego problem or a twitchy left foot or something...! |
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06-19-2007, 04:11 PM
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Develop the ability so that you have it if you need it. At the Pete Drummond clinic last night (which was awesome), Pete said "I earn money by playing the 8th note beats. Double bass is just a hobby" or something like that which was quite funny, but it's pretty much true.
I think it's important for ALL drummers to be as versatile as they can be. Dynamically, creatively and technically. |
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06-19-2007, 06:20 PM
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I have played in a lot of metal bands, so I practice double bass a lot. Not straight patterns but broken stuff, much like the stuff here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKahCYsIc14
Patterns like that seem to be rarely used in metal but have GREAT potential for musical use so I work on that quite a bit. Whether or not I make a dime from learning to play those patterns is irrelevent to me, but I do in fact practice the stuff that WILL pay the bills... |
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06-19-2007, 11:32 PM
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I used to practice doublebass all the time. In the end i got to about 210 bpm. I had to go back in time and remember whi i evern started playing drums, and i assure you it wasn't to become a doublebass titan. There seems to be a significant amount of hype around doublebass playing. What got me playing doublebass were guys like Nick Barker (ex: Dimmu Borgir), and Adrian Erlandsson (ex: Cradle of Filth).
I guess i've matured a bit over the last year and a half, because metal and doublebass began to lose its luster over time. I became interested in learning latin rythms and the clave, and after watching guys like Gerald Heyward, i wanted to play some crazy single bass licks. Today i can say that i've learned some latin and some basic afro cuban 6/8 which i can play with the clave, 2/3 and 3/2. I develop those single bass licks that i've wanted and my pocket began to expand once i began to focus on the music more. I'm currently working on soloing over the clave' and tumbau bass patterns. when i solo i can still pull off the doublebass, and i really don't know why (haven't practiced). My advice is simply try both and go with what suits you. If you'd like to work with your main foot more, i suggest to begin playing single foot linear fills. don't just practice, but research single foot technique. I just to playing quick doubles with any real technique, but that obviously had to change when i wanted to play tighter sextuplets. If you ever get to that point i suggest the slide. Heel-toe doesn't seem right and its just too damn easy to pull off. Just remember why you got into drumming and if double bass had anything to do with it. There are plenty of virtuosos and drum titans that don't play double bass: Jojo Mayer, Derico Watson, etc. If you begin to get bored to drumming you need to make some changes. Good Luck. |
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