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Old 12-10-2003, 06:58 AM   #1
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practice time management....

this is for everyone to answer.....any input would be thouroughly appreciated

how do you guys split up your practice time.....like how much time do you spend on certain aspects (hand technique, double bass, rudiments, independence, grooving, different styles..etc. etc. so on and so on)? I ask this because I often think I spend too much time on technique and would like some opinions...

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also, what do you think Virgil spends the most time on...I've heard he plays piano quite extensively..just curious
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Old 12-10-2003, 08:12 AM   #2
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Hey there!
I practise regularly for appr. 4-5 hours a day.
My routine consists of playing through all odd time rhythms with a click and just improvising over it in a solo/groove, working on independence, technique, grooving, double bass all in one. I tend to use a lot of different subdivisions in this. I never really practised 'grooving' over a ex. straight 4 in sibdivisions of fives, but it has just come naturally, I guess and I'm happy for that
This would take maybe 2 hours to play through with a good concentration level, and 15 minutes/rhythm.
I practise hand technique a lot and have measured around 290-300 in clean double strokes and 260-280 in singles using traditional grip. With feet around 230 using singles.
For my own sake, I have a lot with rhythmical stuff etc and I think Virgil does that too.

Andreas

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Old 12-10-2003, 10:57 AM   #3
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4 - 5 hours practice a day?? that's sick!! I play 15 - 30 min's a day hehe.. :S
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Old 12-10-2003, 11:35 AM   #4
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Naah It cleans your soul from all other **** in school etc
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Old 12-10-2003, 01:19 PM   #5
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280 in singles? As in 16th notes at 280, meaning about 1120 total hits per minute?

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Whoa

I can do 180 =P

My practise session consists of firstly I work through exercises 2-11 of the 'Starters' in the Encylopedia of Double Bass Drumming. I play each exercise for a minute at the same tempo which is currently 120. Anyway, I increase that tempo by 3 every Monday (although this week was an exception - I went to 115 on Monday from 110, then went to 120 on Tuesday ). Then I'll do double strokes with my feet for a minute as well at the same tempo.

I use a Noteworthy Composer file (ie. it uses the midi synthesiser) to create my tempo charts.

Anyway after that, I go through the 'next' quarter of a page that I'm up to in Stick Control (I'm currently doing quarters of pages in the 8th note section and the triplet section but I'm just about done with the 8th note section and will be going up to the section after triplets soon). So that is, I do a 'quarter' of a page in one set of exercises, and another quarter of a page in another set of exercises.

Anyway, this is my warm-up and it goes for around 50 minutes. Depending on the day, that leaves me with between -5 and 50 minutes to play other stuff -5 meaning some days I don't even have time to quite finish the warmup

Other stuff I'm working on is... Hmm... It's been a while since I had time to work on other stuff... Well I do want to start doing patterns between my left foot on the hats and my right hand on the ride and stuff like that. I can play the pattern for Ataraxia, just not fast enough and I can't do those little bell hits. My accents are also non-existant in it so far as well
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Old 12-10-2003, 01:35 PM   #6
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@David:

Well, the tempo tends to fall a little bit as the seconds go, but I could manage around 280 for appr. 30 seconds. I can try to record it soon if you'd like =)?
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Old 12-10-2003, 01:57 PM   #7
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There's some young kids out there that can play at insane speeds.....Brobjer for one, Tony Royster, and there's another kid called Ilan Rubin who won the Modern Drummer best undiscovered drummer contest in the U-18 category when he was 12 years old.....he did that world's fastest drummer thing once and clocked somewhere between 1000-1100 singles strokes .....and he did this when he was 13 years old I think.....if you go to http://www.drummerworld.com there is a video clip of Ilan Rubin ripping it up at the Modern Drummer festival (he was 12 years old at the time)....
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Old 12-10-2003, 09:35 PM   #8
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WOW! I heard about that Rubin kid. Gotta see it to believe it though.
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Old 12-11-2003, 05:36 AM   #9
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wow... I love drummers that take it seriously. I try to manage about 3 hours a day. For about 10 minutes, I play triplets on my hands and feet together, all around the drums. Then I play paradiddles over a groove and solo over them for about 10 minutes. Then I start working on my lessons, which normally consist of sight reading and working on chart interpretation. I alwasy try to explore something that is somewhat odd, even if it's as simple as accented paradiddles as triplets. 3 days a week I do a hand work out, b/c it's best to give your hands a break. I turn on the metronome and play three random rudiments, out of the 40, as clean, fast, and relaxed as I can for 20 measures( the amount used in STICK CONTROL and ACCENTS AND REBOUNDS). Then I play singles for a little over one minute. Once I started this I notcied huge results. I like to take it slow. I know if I keep at it over a period of years I'll be playing well over 1000, which I'm pretty close to now. On days in between the hands I do the same with the feet, all heel down. I've found this workout is very effective if done correctly, and over time will produce incredible results. I also like to play to some really challenging stuff, like Coltrane's Love Supreme album. The point is, I think our generation of drummers is gonna be a whole new breed. We are gonna have to be pocket players, but we're also gonna have to have chops out the grand wazzoo to survive, and Virgil is definitely the "guiding light" to that. Keep up the good work. A lot of practice now, while a lot of people I know party and all, will pay off b/c my whole life I'll be playing drums and having fun for a living while they go to miserable desk jobs everyday!
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Old 12-11-2003, 06:30 AM   #10
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thanks everyone, I'll try to apply these to my playing!
for you practice freaks out there....how do you keep the motivation factor up....ideally I'd love to practice 8 hours a day, but that doesn't leave much in the way for other things....maybe I should listen to that Tony Robbins guy haha


also out of randomness, do any of you practice heel-down alot? I do but I play heel up when I'm not practicing technique...it actualy seems to make me faster (and it burns a hell of alot more)
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Old 12-11-2003, 06:33 AM   #11
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Do any of you ever study classical percussion (timpani, mallet percussion)?

Also, have any of you been in school band programs?
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Old 12-11-2003, 08:26 AM   #12
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I am basically entirely a heel down player....I go heel up for certain things but 95% of the time it's heel down....it's just the way my first teacher taught me so I got comfortable with it....heel up is definitely alot less comfortable than heel down for me, but I try to play like that at least for a little bit every so often.
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Old 12-13-2003, 08:57 AM   #13
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first i warm up for about 5 or 10 minutes with rudimentals or soft jazzing it, u know what i mean. after that, for about 30 minutes to an hour, ill practice on things i have written or what my set teacher wants me to practice. then for about an hour, ill just play some stuff, anything i feel like playing, just having fun. then for about another hour, ill maybe do some soloing and some cymbal work. last half an hour, ill work on some more rudimentals. then ill solo out for about 5 minutes and make a big hardcore drum ending just so when i get off my set ill feel really good about myself. well, that's about it. keep drummin, rock on!
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Old 12-13-2003, 08:59 AM   #14
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yes, i am currently in the school band. snare! and i do enjoy it.
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Old 12-14-2003, 03:10 PM   #15
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I'm big into the philosophy of drums, so maybe I can give you some words of inspiration that I use to keep on truckin. We create our own reality. The best time to learn is the present. The mind is the only obstacle. If Tony Royster is only 2 years older than me, and he can do what he does, there's no reason why I can't do the same or be better at my age. I know a lot of great musicians... some of the best I'll ever know, but they totally wasted their talents, and never reached their dreams. How often do people get to make their dreams come true??? If playin is your dream, take control! While all your friends (assuming you're in school) are partying and going on dates and such, you could be practicing. And while they spend the rest of their lives in some desk all stressed out because they have tons of work to do and hate their job,and their dreaming of a perfect life, you'll be living one my friend, just playing music for a living (if that's what you wanna do) and doing something for the drum community. My eight years (high school and college) of extremely intense work on drums will make my dream come true, and I'll be having fun for the rest of my life, playing for all the big acts and practicing to push the limits of my art. Now after you think about that... the blood, sweat, and tears seems worth it, doesnt it? I hope that helps!
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