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Old 11-25-2003, 11:58 AM   #1
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How Whe Create A Own Groove

Hi everyone!!!!
a long time i try to find my own filings,when i play some song!!!!
every great drummer have i diferent playng,and when whe try to play some songs whe find a hard moment everytime!!
for me,so important moment is my grooving,and after that technicle skilse!!when whe have a good and regulate(i mean,every part of your kit to sound like the others,dinamicly)groov,then whe will be started to make bether tehnique!!

i whate your for your replay!!

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Old 11-25-2003, 01:02 PM   #2
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DV,

I think I understand you and
yes, I do feel that finding "your
own groove" is very important.

I also believe that you will find
it without too much effort, IF
you are true to your goals.

You will do something different
and not because you want to
but because you HAVE to.

Relax and let it happen. Just
work hard and remember the
basics, developing your tech-
nique as you go along.
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Old 11-26-2003, 03:07 AM   #3
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10x Peter,you a very nice guy,and you always help me so much!!!
I want to find my own playn and I keep a hard practicing every,****IN day!!!
every drummer must think about it,because the big part of our drum Family don't think abouth this!!

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Old 11-26-2003, 03:38 AM   #4
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definitely... some people get too wrapped up in chops and bizarreness, but look at Vinnie C. He's got chops oozing out every pore of his body, but he gets all the gigs because of the groove! I have a video you REALLY need to get to kinda help you tap in to your groove... it's called "GROOVEMASTER" by Bernard Purdie. In case you didn't know, he is the most recorded drummer of all time, playing on everything that came out of MOTOWN since the fifties! Watching him enjoy the groove so much will really help you get it cookin'. Even my drum instructor, who teaches at Georgia State University and played with Tommy Dorsey and Dianne Schuur, was blown away by his insight into the groove! Anyways, my future wife, Alicia Keys, is coming on Good Morning America,g2g. Good luck!
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Old 11-26-2003, 07:48 AM   #5
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DV,

Of course, you're right.

What I see that's missing in
players that DON'T groove, is
accenting and dynamics, which
go hand in hand.

Practicing anything without ac-
centing is futile, in my opinion.

If there was ONE SECRET to
playing, this the one for me.
From watching Steve Gadd
closely, during that very short
time back in the late 1970's, I
got that from him. It was the
biggest thing he did. This is,
of course, my opinion.

MB3,

Vinnie is a great player. There
is no doubt. He practiced his
straight grooves as much as
his high-spirited technique and
it shows. People usually forget
one or the other. He didn't.

If I could say this, Vinnie's
grooves are what they are
because of his accents.

Play on, guys!

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Old 11-26-2003, 09:45 AM   #6
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I believe that your groove comes without you knowing it, if you think about it too much, then you loose it. This has been so true to me, and another thing:
Groove doesn´t have to be exactly "correct" compared to the click, groove changes moods and tempos, just like us humans. Some music grooves with click, some doesn´t. You really have to experience it for your self.

But practicing time, technique, dynamic contrasts will help you a lot to achieve your own groove. I´m on my way
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Old 11-27-2003, 06:47 AM   #7
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I agree to you guys.

In my own way, groove is either easy or frustratingly hard.

Just play this Beatle song "Act Naturally" without proper accents on the hi-hats. it will sounds stupid but placing those accent or what Jeff Procaro lovingly called them "those snaky beats" at the right place it will sound way better.

How to play good grooves takes sometime of playing and most of it will develop within a live band. Those metronomes will help you get a good solid flow of beats but sometimes playing in a mechanical fashion doesn't work on some situations.

Three types of grooves nowadays are either laid back, spot on and some pushing forward. And sometimes combinations of them.

Check out John Bonham how he plays in laid back way on some of their slower heavy songs.
Pushing forward kinda grooves like those early punk hardcore stuff like Sex Pistol.
Spot On....their everywhere, anytime, anyplace.....YO!

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Old 11-27-2003, 08:14 AM   #8
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Bonham - Kashmir

Piledriver groove!
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Old 11-27-2003, 10:08 PM   #9
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10x you all guys!!!!
that's realey help me,and i try to undursteand all of your poin of vyu!!
I think,the accenting and dinamic is most important for this situation!!
I very liked Lenny kravitz drummer!In his songs i feel everything what i want to play with one band!!there didn't have tehnique,there have a more groove and more soul,i think!!
practicing with metronome is so important part of creations a own grooving,but it's not all!!I think this is result of hard work with band (live playng)and holm practicing with click!!
when you find your own playn and when you create a stile,you finish with first level of your education!!avter that is only the diferent stules of music and tehnique(faster playng and etc.)!!

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Old 11-28-2003, 08:11 AM   #10
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the hardest way to groove is when you hate a certain song but you have to play it bec. you simply have to for a certain gig.
sometimes you can fake and sometimes it just screw up the band.
now that's where professionalism becomes the issue.
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Old 11-30-2003, 08:07 AM   #11
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i wanna add as well to learn how to make certain songs swing a little.
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Old 12-02-2003, 08:07 AM   #12
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Hi!!
this good man!!ceep practicin,and everething's goin fine!!
I try to play balanced every part of my Kit,because i need to hear every sound wich i make of my kit!!
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Old 12-06-2003, 09:24 PM   #13
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As far as developing your own grooves goes, my biggest suggestion is this:

1. Listen to a lot of different drummers and styles of music. As time goes by you will start incorporating some influencial bits from their playing into your own style

2. Never be afraid to experiment. Try displacing notes here and there (especially hi-hat or snare), try to change the grooves you already know. For example, instead of accenting your hi-hat on beat, try switching to an off beat groove, or try to phrase things differently by breaking down measures. Let's say you have 8 bars of 4/4. 8x4=32. 5+5+7+3+6+6=32... So there you have it. Phrase it as 5/4,5/4,7/4,3/4,6/4, and 6/4 instead of doing 4/4 for 8 bars.
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Old 12-07-2003, 08:54 PM   #14
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hahaha! no.2 ...that's really advance stuff Smirnoff. I just hope he won't do it on a top 40 gig.
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