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Old 10-16-2005, 08:48 PM   #1
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eliminator folk

Hey anyone who owns an eliminator I gotta question (peter you're the resident expert I believe so see if you can help me):

I have my pedals loose/medium with blue cams and standard angles but I was fooling around with powershifter part. I first thought it didnt do anything, but I realized I had them all the way back (towards me, must have set it like that a while ago) and swtiched them to the middle position and the pedals now feel a little tighter initially, like the spring tension was increased but at higher tempos I get more response. What exactly does hte powershifter part do and what is it supposed to emulate? How do you guys have yours set? What would be the differences/advantages/disadvatanges of the 3 positions?

Thanks alot

Also, just a general double pedal question, I know ICM you were stressing the importance of evenness between pedal settings. I think my pedals feel the same I tried right on left and left on righ to test it, but whenever I do the test when I release both pedals at the same time to see the oscillation, the right always goes longer and for a couple of seconds too. Are they uneven is this natural? Does someone have a video or end of a video showing how much regular oscialltion is? thanks again

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Old 10-16-2005, 09:57 PM   #2
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The Powershifter all the way toward you is the light feel setting and all the way away from you is the heavy setting.. In the middle is normal.. Any master pedal will always swing for longer then the slave pedal.. It is because of the weight of the drive shaft.. You should watch the first few seconds of them swinging to set the spring tension.
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Old 10-17-2005, 12:55 AM   #3
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if ur not sure what u want...leave it in the middle... thats where mine are
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Old 10-17-2005, 04:36 AM   #4
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in the middle
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Old 10-17-2005, 07:09 PM   #5
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I like mine all the way forward, to me it gives the pedal a nice solid feeling. I use the blue cams, and the springs almost completely loose, I can't recall what my beater angles are but I have the footboards as flat as possible.
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Old 10-17-2005, 07:17 PM   #6
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The Power Shifter changes the vertical angle of the
chain or strap pulldown. The further in (towards the
head), the more response you will get. That resp-
onse translates into faster beater-pullback.

The VDL on the Axis pedal, along with the Boa-Pedal's
change of footboard position allows for a similar effect,
the most exaggerated of which is the VDL.

Doubles are easier to come by, with the Shifter set in,
towards the head (away from you). Try using the blue,
purple and red cams for killer response. You will see
what I mean but don't forget the black and whites
for the more powerful and 'rounder' cam feels.

Btw, the Shifter set all the IN or AWAY from you,
emulates the VDL pulled all the way BACK or AWAY
from the head. It's about beater pullback and snap.

I prefer the purple and blue cams but I love to switch
to red and black often.

For the money, the best, most versatile pedal in town!

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Old 10-17-2005, 11:09 PM   #7
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So techincally speaking, you can put the powershifter all the way in, to make up for the slower response of a looser tension spring? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Right now I'm working with it set in the middle but I think that for doubles you have to let the pedal do more work for you. I usually do a sliding double or an ankle whip kinda motion and I found that I have to loosen up my motion a bit to allow the pedal to do it for me. I actually find it easier to produce the entire motion myself on the lighter feel (probably cause I'm just use to the shifter all the way back towards me) I'm working the middle setting now though.
Another question would the powershifter setting impact singles in anyway? For example tightly tuned springs allow for less "work" done by the feet because of the instant comeback. Would this increased response also be the case for the powershifter setting? Is it advantageous to have this set in farther for speed?
I imagine for the best pedal response on the eliminator one would have to use the red cams, springs all the way tight and powershifter in all the way?

Also I remeber reading once that someone mentioned if you can move your pedal board from side to side on the chain its not good. Well I just realized that I can pretty easily more easily on my left than right. Did someone say with straps this doesnt occur? Should I try to get it fixed?


on a side note, what exactly is the variable drive lever on the axis?
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Old 10-18-2005, 06:43 AM   #8
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The pedal movement form side to side occurs because of the powershifter - it has a screw in the middle and two pegs on the left and right of it. The pegs are a bit smaller than the holes they fit in - so the pedal board moves a bit. Nothing is loosened or falling apart, it's normal. I don't see how using straps instead of chain would prevent this.

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Old 10-18-2005, 07:30 AM   #9
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Remember that the tighter the springs, the more
effort it will take to produce the initial stroke. I do
not believe the answer is in more spring tension.
I use the least possible.

You want not just doubles but singles and not just
singles but doubles. You want BOTH.

Rather than work the spring tension, I change the
beater arc/angle but do this VERY gradually. Find
what works and compensates for the lack of spring
tension. Give it a go.

The Power Shifter makes for a subtle difference
but one that is there. Use it, with the radical cams
(Blue, Purple and Red) and you will get the Eliminator's
ultimate response.

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