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Old 09-30-2003, 07:30 AM   #1
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Derek Roddy shows what he's got

Hi everyone!

There's been so much chatter about who's the fastest in the kick-department, so I thought I'd post this link. Don't how long it will be up:

http://koma.frac.dk/trommespil.swf

It's a few minutes of Derek Roddy going nuts solo. For those who don't know, Derek Roddy is a highly regarded death metal drummer capable of going in excess of 250 BPM in singles. Just take a look....

Don't know why it is in the shape of a ShockWave-file....it's just a movie...
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Old 09-30-2003, 10:26 AM   #2
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I've heard him before, but not as fast as this clip. He's blistering fast. I would love to see his footwork on this.

This clip reminds me of a track called "Drum Check" from one of the newer Morbid Angel albums. It's like a spoof MP3 where Pete Sandoval (drummer of Morbid Angel) demonstrates a 'sound check' before a show. He simply goes crazy the same way Derek played in this video.

"Can I hear your kickdrum please, Pete"
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Old 09-30-2003, 11:12 AM   #3
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Are we sure these are all single-strokes
on the kicks? Sometimes, it looks like he's
doubling but look at him lean forward for
those singles! Wow!

Yup. Those are definitely doubles with the
swish for a bit there.

I don't know, Christopher! I haven't started
to focus on singles yet. I can't compete there.

Maybe the doubles...

I'm soldering the contacts now. The wires
(solder) became undone with the vibration.

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Old 09-30-2003, 01:36 PM   #4
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OK, Christopher...

Doubles and variations at 250bpm:

www.thediametrixletter.com/dogpoops18.mp3

That hurt!

It just occurred to me that Christopher
likely meant Pete Sandoval!!!!
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Old 09-30-2003, 01:53 PM   #5
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What are you playing these on by the way? I always see you posts with the dogpoops*.mp3 naming scheme, but I always forget to ask you on what you play on to generate these mp3's.

I know you play on electronic drum pads and stuff. Im sure you also play on an acoustic kit right? You should take a video and show us your footwork!

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Old 09-30-2003, 02:06 PM   #6
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These are the same Yamaha DTX2's you
have seen in my videos before. I have
two kick towers instead of one and am
using two separate Eliminator pedals.

I do not have my acoustic kit set-up. I
do not have the room. Perhaps in the
future, I'll get the chance again, in a
different home.

For this run, I notched up the beaters
(closer to the heads by .5 to 1 inch). They
are 5-inches from the kick-pad. I am also
using White Cams on the pedals.

My feet are very low on the footboard,
the heels totally off them. I was using
basketball shoes (terrible for kicking).

It was a strain to keep that up. I just
did it for Christopher. I try and keep
my routines at 180, for articulation,
though it did not come out too bad.

I have tried to describe every aspect of
what I have done to get this result,
short of video. I'll try and get to it, if
I can free up some hard-drive space
in the near future.

You have to treat the feet like the hands
but realize that, as far as speed, they
actually have an advantage, IF you use
the rebound off the surface of the head.
Your arms are NOT as strong as your
legs. Therefore you can generate more
force with those pedals.

This allows for more rebound and higher
speeds but you can't be afraid of doing
it. I think some people think it's cheating
and that's just not true, in my opinion.

Everyone bounces to a certain degree,
that go this quickly, unless they're single-
stroking and that's a different story.
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Old 09-30-2003, 02:48 PM   #7
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Derek Roddy does not use doubles, just like most other death metal / metal players.
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Old 09-30-2003, 03:06 PM   #8
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I don't think bouncing to get double strokes is cheating at all...after all I think it's the end result (ie. what it sounds like) that counts and playing the way Peter plays, bouncing or not, sounds pretty stupendous to me...it sounds clean and fast and tight...why kill yourself trying to play each individual stroke if you can get the exact same result by bouncing...makes sense to me to bounce the strokes...look how quickly Peter has managed to get his doubles up to insane speeds by using the technique he describes...
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Old 09-30-2003, 03:07 PM   #9
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Fede,

I could be wrong but the sway of legs,
during portions of that video, looked to
me like he was using doubles.

Check it out again.

Are you certain that during this video
he did not use doubles, during a couple
of segments? Again, I could be wrong.
I know that likely most of it was done
with singles.

When he was leaning forward,
especially, that's when I thought he
was doing those killer-singles that you
mentioned and that I have heard about
and no doubt - they are GREAT!

No offense, Fede. I really dig you and
your posts. I just studied what I saw.
Maybe you can verify it for me/us.

Would you? I really would like to know.
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Old 09-30-2003, 03:09 PM   #10
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I would love to hear Virgil talk about
this some more and that next clinic
I attend or concert that I see, I am '
going to ask him point blank about it.
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Old 09-30-2003, 07:55 PM   #11
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I had heard of Derek and
Sandoval before but only
recently. They sure do have
incredible kicks.
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Old 09-30-2003, 08:39 PM   #12
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http://pagansmurfen.ath.cx/~blasphe...%20Eternal).mpg

A link to a larger but higher quality vid of the same solo.
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Old 10-01-2003, 01:29 AM   #13
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The swaying motion that you see is his special technique. It is still singles but he's swaying his angles sideways "between" strokes. He does this with both legs, but for some reason it has always been more visible on the left, leading many into speculations whether he, when doing triplets, was doubling with the left foot and playing singles with the right. But actually it is only singles, always singles as far as I know.

IIRC there has been some talk here on the forum about Pete Sandoval using the same sideways motion.

Thanks for sharing DeepThought!
If you have any other links of that nature, please post some!

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Old 10-01-2003, 04:05 AM   #14
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Wish I did, one video was enough to make me cry
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Old 10-01-2003, 05:56 AM   #15
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That's wild!

I wonder why he would have multiples
techniques for doing the same thing,
though - unless it's for resting.

I'm downloading it again, DT and I see
already that this is going to give me
better resolution.

I believe he has an instructional video
out. Maybe someone has it and they
can tell us more about Derek's approach.

Thanks, Fede and DT!!!
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