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Old 11-19-2004, 11:31 PM   #1
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If You Want to Lick the Problem of the Weak Left Kick

Lately, I have been seeing a lot of posting about
double-kicking and speed etc.

I am going to recommend something that Virgil has
in the past and it's going to sound kind of stupid.

1. Remove your right kick-pedal or beater.

2. Play all your rhythms, with your left foot.

Do these heel-down for control.

I guarantee you that if you do this, your left-foot
will improve dramatically and I mean in days!

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Old 11-20-2004, 08:32 AM   #2
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I agree Peter. I started attempting this after watching Virgil's Power Drumming vid and it most definitely helps. I know Virg can play some SICK stuff left hand and foot lead just as he does righty. Just like the story on here awhile back where gave a lesson to a lefty and the kit was set up for a lefty and Virg sit's down and say's hey this will work. no prob. that is PROFICENCY!

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Old 11-20-2004, 08:43 AM   #3
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Not at all stupid, Peter. That is an idea that many great drummers have suggested. I heard this first myself from a Terry Bozzio clinic that i went to. Not only will this develop strength in your weak foot, but also control and speed. I find that if you use only your weak foot, you can quickly develop the patterns that come so easily on your dominant foot. On a side note, (and I apologize for straying from the thread topic), but to also develop all of these things with your weak hand, I would recommend playing with open style. When you play with your dominant hand on the snare instead of the high hat, you can explore some great new grooves, and find that you have uncovered a great new way of composing practice routines, drum fills, and a whole new sound. Dom Famularo is an advocate of this style, and one can uncover some interesting ideas when playing like this, and it's great for practice. Do any of you play like this regularly? Cheers.
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Old 11-20-2004, 10:08 AM   #4
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Funny you mention playing open handed! Peter PLAYs open handed!
Apart from all the tips you guys gave I have an input.Something that has helped me alot dealing with my left hand is do EVERYTHING you would normaly do with your right hand! Use the computer mouse with your left hand,use the remote control of your tv with your left hand! Even eat with your left hand! Do whatever the heck you want do to...with your left hand!

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Old 11-20-2004, 12:21 PM   #5
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That's great, guys! I am so happy to hear that!

Incidentally, my mouse is on my left-side. LOL

Yes, I do play left-handed. I have talked about it
quite a bit, actually and know that I can talk too
much about it. You guys will get sick of me.

I was very happy to see Dom make the switch. I
know it will make him a better drummer and that's
why he's doing it. All the power to him.

I owe the credit to Billy, who, again, convinced me
to do it, while I was having trouble with my right
arm (physical problems), a couple of years back.
He is the standard, along with Mike Mangini, for
this type of approach.

Speaking of Virgil, there is no doubt that, even
though he uses traditional (I secretly am betting
that he will go matched sooner or later ), it
is plain to see that he emphasizes his left more
then most players and that it adds a whole other
dimension to his presentation.

He is undoubtedly the most dynamic player on
the scene. Of course, I had to say that, Virg!

Play on, guys! You are it!!
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Old 11-20-2004, 12:36 PM   #6
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Nice tip! I might just do that! Well I'm not gonna actually remove my right pedal, I'll just avoid it..

My question is: Why heels down? I always play heels up and I have most control with that. I don't even see the use of playing heels down since I have less power in those muscles and I don't see any further function of that technique..

BTW I saw Level 42 live once, and was amazed about the drummer doing all rythms left AND right, without hearing a difference! It didn't matter to him, the fastest shuffles and other stuff... Looked pretty cool, but besides that, he didn't do anything innovative or shocking.. just equal left and right hand lead..
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Old 11-20-2004, 06:32 PM   #7
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Quote:
Originally Posted by frank
Nice tip! I might just do that! Well I'm not gonna actually remove my right pedal, I'll just avoid it..

My question is: Why heels down? I always play heels up and I have most control with that. I don't even see the use of playing heels down since I have less power in those muscles and I don't see any further function of that technique..


Well, I believe he suggests this in order
to develop and have full control of the
strokes from the slowest to quickest
tempos, not to mention full dynamic
control. Heel-down playing really dev-
elops muscles in the front of the leg
and also helps the ankles. Perhaps
this is another reason.

I have been doing some of his routines
both ways and find that the better I
do the heel-down, the better the heel-
up gets. That might be just me but
it's working for me.

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Old 11-23-2004, 10:19 AM   #8
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Yeah Peter the heel down does helps. during warm up on gigs i basically just throw in some basic singles on the foot but heel down. sometimes i would even use it on fills. the control and ease is there but my foot especially the left seems to slide up a little on each strokes.

The Bass Drum Sprint...hehe, it will eat 70 to 80% of your energy but it's the fastest way to get the feets burning and play those singles at speed and control in my own experience that is. I lost weight during the years I'd been doing such brute force on the bass drum. Now I'm fat I had to do it again..WaaaaHHH!!!
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Old 11-23-2004, 10:58 AM   #9
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I have been doing just that, ALMOST!..... The issue I'm having trouble with is I don't play with my heels down, ever, so why do I need to PRACTICE that way? If it's for control, then I would think that I need to practice the way I play.

Someone gave me some heavy aluminum sticks for practice some time ago, I asked Billy Cobham if it was really a good idea to practice with them and he said if I'm not using them to play with, then whats the point?

I'm only asking Peter, and everyone, to learn, not to be a fly in the ointment. Why should my heels be down in practice when I never play that way?

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Old 11-23-2004, 11:06 AM   #10
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"My question is: Why heels down? I always play heels up and I have most control with that. I don't even see the use of playing heels down since I have less power in those muscles and I don't see any further function of that technique.."

Ahh, I created the last post before reading Frank's post who has the same concerns I do.

I admit that heel down isolates the muscle in the front of the leg, and gives you more control but still my point is I don't play heels down! Should I start?

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Old 11-23-2004, 01:34 PM   #11
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I think you hit it on the head D. Slam just as Peter said earlier. Practicing heels down just HELPS develop the muscles and one's technique overall. It makes playing heel up that much better. I am a heel's up player because just as you said I have more control, power endurance this way, but practicing heel's down even for short period's does me good overall.

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Old 11-23-2004, 01:41 PM   #12
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I think you hit it on the head D. Slam just as Peter said earlier. Practicing heels down just HELPS develop the muscles and one's technique overall. It makes playing heel up that much better. I am a heel's up player because just as you said I have more control, power endurance this way, but practicing heel's down even for short period's does me good overall.

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Thank you Kirk... I'll check that out!
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Old 11-24-2004, 10:46 AM   #13
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That's great that so many other drummers have chosen ambidexterity. A number of months ago I did the same thing, I began eating lefty, brushing my teeth lefty, leading lefty on the kit, and it definitely has a number of awesome benefits.

On the heel down issue I agree that heel down is good to strengthen the tibular muscles but it doesn't really have any practical value.

I'd like to see Virg bang out some double bass grooves heels down! haha, he probably could too..
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Old 11-26-2004, 11:58 AM   #14
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during gigs nowadays (tnk god we have some) i would simply lead on the left pedal so as to strengthen and control it as much i could. now, i'm gettin lots of positive result.

hey kirk as always posted a perfect comment about the benefits of some heel down routines. cheers!
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