Milo Porto

can someone help with exercises on double stroke double bass playing here....maybe post a few rudiments....etc i really want to master the double srtroke ...have been playing double bass for almost 8 years but want to explore more double bass patterns.... thanx!

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peter

Milo,

I suggest examining your approach to both
the single and double-stroke on the kick and
in comparison to your hands. Why are they
different? Make the approaches the same.

Your basic challenge in the double-stroke is
getting two strikes for the one stroke of the
limb. You have to get here, after you have
built up a decent single-stroke.

My first suggestion for an exercise is strike
the kick with one strike and get two strokes.
One motion - two strokes. You have to get
and on your left foot, especially.

I want you do this by striking the footboard
closer to the bottom. This motion will always
be focused on the lower part of the footboard.

Do this alternating one foot to the other. I
want you to work towards that point, where
you drop that leg and foot on the board and
two quick strokes come out.

I'll be glad to help you out with it, if I can.

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DoubleBass_Rob

My approach with doubles, is trying to avoid the idea of one stroke, 2 bounces, because usually there's going to be an inconsistancy with the second bounce, and you're really going to notice it with double bass. I usually try to make sure the second stroke is as much as powerful as the first, if not more powerful as that's a good way to develop it.
I also reccommend buying Virgil's modern drummer '96 video, as that's got a nice amount of double strokes on double bass exercises.
Enjoy.

peter

DBR,

I believe what you're saying, in
principle, is the right thing. In the
end, you want as much control
over all strokes as possible.

Let me ask you, with the idea of
commanding BOTH strokes, on the
kick, how fast have you been able
to actually go and how long have
you been at your present plateau?

I ask that because I don't know any
drummers that do not bounce their
double-strokes above 250bpm.

Again, I agree with you and I apply
this as much as I can, when I play.
For slow speeds, there is no need to
bounce the stick or beater on the head.

In a video that I saw of Thomas
Lang, today, I saw him play all slow
tempi, with his heels down, in control
of all strokes, which were almost all
single.

However, on another video, when he
goes into his double-stroke routine,
it appears to me that he is using the
rebound from the head. I could be
wrong about this. His heels seem
elevated... I can't be sure.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. Is
there someone out there that is
saying that they can do double-
strokes at 250bpm, without using
rebound?

You have been at this longer than I.
I'm all ears. I have only shared my
observations and what I have done,
so far, and in 3-days. Lord knows
that I might find better ways of get-
ting the kinds of results that Virgil
or Lang gets from their kicks.

We're all trying to find out what works
for us. It's a good dialogue.

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peter

In line with with what DBR said and
you'll never go wrong, using that
principle, this execise is one that
can help. I used this on my right kick
but I'm adding the left for us:

rR, lL, rR, lL etc.

The second note of each pair is ac-
cented. these have to be done very
slowly. Be patient.

This is what I did to develop the
Samba feel in my kick. It works.

One thing, though - DO NOT BURY
THE BEATER IN THE HEAD. Later on,
this will work against you.

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peter

DBR,

Do you think that a drummer could
use the rebound technique and also
develop his control of the individual
strokes at the same time?

I ask that because I'm so tempted
to recommend using the rebound to
players who are frustrated with their
progress in double-stroking on the
kick. What do you think?

They can still develop their individual
stroke control separately.

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Milo Porto

thanx peter and DBR i will try both suggestions and see which one works for me??

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quitou

We should get Christopher to ask the man himself (that would be virgil) to see what he says about it.

Milo Porto

...actually...yeah! christopher, if you could? could you?

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Christopher

Hey Guys I just moved this thread to the Tips and Techniques section.

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peter

Good idea.

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peter

There's no reason not to do both.

You want to control your strokes
as much as possible.

As I see it, rebounding can get you
quick results. Use them to build your
enthusiasm and confidence and at
the same time, work on your individual
strokes, building them up. Get the best
of BOTH worlds.

I would be VERY interested in what
Virgil has to say about it and Christopher,
tell him that I REALLY would like his input
on it, since he's primarily responsible for
me spending another $200 on a second
pedal!

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drumhead

While there are some good answers here (control, etc) no one has really answered the question. If you want to learn to play doubles, let me offer you these solutions to technique, because playing doubles is about technique and woodshedding. I can't explain it without visuals and since there are so many good educational drum videos out there let me make 3 recommendations.

1) Dave Weckl - Back to Basics. In this video/DVD, Dave has a section on bass drum technique, including a section on doubles. Keep in mind Dave is more of a single bass drummer who uses double bass sparingly. Dave describes the sliding technique when doing doubles, in which you press down in the middle of the footboard for the first hit, then your foot slides up the pedal and pushes the pedal down for the second strike. He demonstrates this in slow and full speed. The next step is to go to your drum set and practice this technique with both feet. I believe this is the method Virgil and Tom Lang use, as you can watch their feet sort of twist, but their heels never actually touch the pedal board.

2) Ballistic bass drums - Those who read modern drummer have seen the ads. I purchased the video and I can do doubles. The technique is totally different from what Weckl teaches. Joe teaches the heel-toe method. I think this can lack some power at times. What I do is a hybrid version of this and #3.


3) I took a drum lesson from a guy who showed me a "moeller" technique on the bass drum pedal. I think Steve Smith demonstrates this technique in his new DVD, I'll have to check. This method of doubles is a heel-up for the first strike and a heel down for the second strike. This is the method I am using. Mike Mangini uses this method as well. The guy that taught me this says Virgil uses this technique, but I don't agree. I'll check out Steves DVD and get back to you.

Hope this helps!

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peter

Drumhead,

You should try the Longboard pedal.
Also, take a look at the VRUK. I have
videos of it, strewn about, here.

Thanks for the tips.

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