jagdkommando

Hey guys,

I have an idea. Let's post and discuss own recordings of doubles with feet and hands!

I suggest to start with all the exercises (or the one we can play) of Virgil @ MD97. Than we are able to analyze the weak points of each other and the techniques. ASAP I'll record myself doing these exercises (of course only those that I can play).

If it's possible it would help to see videos!

With the hands we could play the same exercises (between one tom and the snare or sth like that). Post your own ideas. However we should post and compare the same exercises, otherwhise we'll end in a chaos. For those who cannot do some of the exercises it doesn't matter I think.

I know that the execises also contain singles a.s.o., but that doesn't matter and makes it more interesting.

The same we can do afterwards concerning paradiddles and flams.

I'd suggest to seperate techniques into different threads. So let's start with MD Exercises for the first time.

What do you think?

Regards,
Martin

peter

I don't have the MD97 but I'll post what
I am working on right now and that's just
trying to get into your rear-view mirrors
down there!

www.thediametrixletter.com/dogpoops4.mp3

I know it's not right but it's a start.

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jagdkommando

You don't have the MD97 Video featuring Virgil Donati ????? You are a big Virgil fan and you don't own this video????? Man you have to order that video as fast as you can!! At once!!!

peter

Where can I get it? You guys have
to get me up to speed.

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DeepThought

Very nice peter!! Lightyears beyond my own... I really want to work on my doubles this year...

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peter

They really aren't, DeepThought (by the
way you're right about QP). I am just trying
to duplicate what I saw Virgil do in clinic. I
think anybody can do it and note that I
am just beginning this. I have a long way
to go... a long way.

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DavidPartay

I don't have the video either I might ask for my parents to buy it for me where can I get it from?

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alencore

Wow Peter! Are you using triggers or electronic drums coz they sounded really nice except the cymbals which sounded too digital.
Hey, your doubles sounds great.

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morgenthaler

Sounds like an electronic kit?
At times it sounds just right!, but I think you would really benefit from a slowdown, and work on making them even!
Still.... good job my friend!

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peter

First guys, I was TRYING to do the
double-strokes constantly and as
even as I could, moving up and
down the footboard, fractionally,
barefoot, with my closed feeling
for the difference. It's not easy.
We're getting minimal rebound
and when that's the case, it is
very tough to get to that spot, if
you know what I mean.

Morganthaler,

I am trying to work these from the
backend. I'm a heel-down player
but with heel-down, it is even more
difficult to cultivate a rebound from
a head/pad and I believe that the
rebound is essential to Virgil's ap-
proach on the doube-stroke. When
I was a kid, I learned how to double-
stroke backwards. I didn't start by
doing RR-LL. I started by trying to
do the pressed roll.

I rationalized that I could already
16th-note patterns. I then thought
that what I could do was to press
each of the 16ths, applying essent-
ially the Moeller principle, getting
mutliple strokes for the one stroke.
It worked for me, back then. I'm not
saying that I do not intend to work
these slower. What I am doing is
ecperimenting, looking for a result,
as I am very result driven.

By kicking 16ths at this tempo, my
attention on the rhythm is lessened
and the reason behind that is that
my legs are ebb and flowing in the
metronomic cadence, which I see,
whenever I watch Virgil. Notice that
while he's double-stroking, he is in
perfect time. It's effortless.

It's overwhelming at first but when
you SEE him, you can get the logic.
He's his own metronome! His legs
are his click track. He's just practiced
and felt for the sweet-spot of the foot-
board for so long, he can get the
maximun rebound off the surfaces
he plays. He's the standard. I'm
trying to apply it in a way that gets
me somewhere. I hope that makes
sense. I am slowing down the
tempos, trying to gain more and
more control. I have been working
on it for 3-days now. I suspect I
will be at it a lot longer. I have a
lot to change.

Alencore,

As in the previous audio and visual,
they are digital. My office is too small
for an acoustic set-up. Of course, I
would prefer and acoustic set-up but
it's just practical, right now. They've
been packed up for years, except for
my Ludwig Supraphonic snare, with
Bear Percussion Studio batter:

www.thediametrixletter.com/bpstudio3.mp3

Thank you both for your encouragement.
I want to do the same for you, feeling
welcome here and inspired by what you
all are doing.

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peter

Incidentally, today, I seem to have
stumbled onto the fact that the higher
you lift your legs and harder you kick,
the better the rebound. Makes sense.

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peter

Today's droppings:

www.thediametrixletter.com/dogpoops5.mp3

Still working on it, trying to "feel" more than
anything else.

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jagdkommando

I'm looking forward to seeing your video peter ... as last year I'm away and not able to download anything. Hope, that a lot of people will be posting sth (including myself *g*).

peter

These are just audio, JDK. You'll just hear it.
I'm surprised that you can't hear it. If you have
Windows Media Player or RealPlayer or even
WINAMP, you should be able to pick it up.

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