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08-01-2003, 09:05 PM
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Any Open Players Here?
Does anyone here play "open"?
In other words, does anyone play left-handed on the right- handed kit or vice-versa?
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08-02-2003, 07:52 AM
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About two years ago, I had a
physical issue come up with my right arm and hand. I lost about 70% of its strength and use. Now, I wasn't gigging and don't anymore. I'm an economic analyst. I do write a great deal. You can imagine that I was frightened by this development. I saw many specialists and heard all kinds of stuff from them as to the cause. I was NOT going to cut open my arm like Carl Palmer did. I knew that much. Well, during the time, Billy Cobham talked me into riding left on the kit, taking the pressure off the right. He encouraged me, saying that I would not lose anything but only gain. I took him up on it and began this long venture into the world of "open" playing and I tell you, I am glad I did it. It's a work in progress but the gains I have made, thus far, have been enough to keep me on track for the rest of my life. Incidentally, it was a couple of months after that talk that an OMD (Oriental Medical Doctor) saw me and told me something about my body that was different. Working with this information and having physical therapy done, among other things, I have regained 90% of the use of the arm. Those videos are all post-trauma. If there are some of you out there thinking about, I'd be glad to talk about its fruits.
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08-02-2003, 08:50 AM
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I myself am very locked to regular, right-hand-crossover-hihat playing on a standard righthand-style kit. Sometimes I'm a little annoyed at how assymmetrical you realize you've become when trying to do something out of the ordinary....
The legendary metaldrummer Gene Hoglan said in an interview that he is somewhat ambidextrous (or whatever?). He had been part of a supporting act at a concert before he hit the big time and he was going to play the drumkit belonging to the drummer of the headlining band. Turned out that drummer was left-handed and wouldn't let him alter the setup, so Gene played the show on a lefthand-setup without any problems!!
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08-02-2003, 11:51 AM
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Mike Mangini plays open, from what I understand. Simon Phillips plays open. He's a fine drummer, among other things.
Outside of harder Rock, there are players like Billy Cobham, who pioneered it, really, along with Lenny White and now Rayford Griffin, as well as the young Jim Blackwell Jr., who is enjoying a bit of fame, from his working with Prince. There's an added benefit, besides the agility issue and that relates to the 're-wiring' that has to take place, when you switch consciously and that is that the re-working of older patterns for the left hand brings with it the 'memory' of the old ones and that can contribute to exciting nuances you didn't think would develop. I found this especially true for my Latin work, where inside the normal rhythm, you really want to use your free hand to accent or add color to the composition, like in: www.thediametrixletter.com/lallave1.mp3 www.thediametrixletter.com/sube10.mp3 www.thediametrixletter.com/dondeestaminegra.mp3 The horn kicks are a plenty in Salsa and you need to kick them or you wind up being useless to the rhythm section. At the same time, the rhythm has to be strong, while you're kicking. Keeping a strong pattern going on the left hand on the HH and normal kick, with a free right hand, allows you to crash much more often or accent with a tom etc. While Latin music may seem far from what Virgil is doing, the truth is it only appears that way. Virgil is about conquering the mechanics of drumming. He can play any music, I'm sure. It's what he chooses and it's the same for us.
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08-04-2003, 01:22 PM
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I actually started off playing that way for about 2 years from 10-12 years old. That's because there was a drum beat I wanted to play but I couldn't play it the other way for some reason (I was so immature as a drummer :P) so I switched to playing left handed on a right handed kit. I think that every drummer should do that for a the first years because my hands are a lot more even now than if I hadn't.
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08-04-2003, 01:32 PM
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Adam,
You should consider it. You have a leg up on guys like me. I'm serious.
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08-05-2003, 09:26 AM
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I don't think I'd ever go completely open handed. I think I'll have phases just to even out my limps hehe.
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08-07-2003, 04:11 PM
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I started playing open handed for a few months to gain dexterity and strength with my left hand. You'll be shocked at just how uncoordinated you become when you start leading with your left hand and try to add ghost notes with your right hand!
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08-07-2003, 05:22 PM
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I have been using the Gary Chester book for the last 2 years. Using the left hand on a remote hihat has helped me tremendously as far as coordination and strengthing the left hand. But as far as using the left hand exclusively on a right handed kit on the hihat, I primarily play it using my right hand on the hihat.
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08-07-2003, 05:41 PM
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You know guys, I have found that
I could do a lot more from this the right, in terms of ghost notes than I can from the left. I really think it's just a matter of sticking (pardon the pun) to it. I have been at it for a year and a half but I do it EX- clusively. Give it a try.
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08-07-2003, 07:36 PM
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Pete, just a question...how long have you been drumming? I got one of your videos to work and it's absolutely groovin'! You should be in there among the greats!
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08-08-2003, 11:02 AM
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i sometime fool around riding on my left on songs with simple eight notes and stuff or even play some basic beats on a lefty drumset tnx to my mentor whose a full pledge lefty.
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08-08-2003, 11:15 AM
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Adam,
Don't say that. I am not one of the greats. That was just an accident.  www.thediametrixletter.com/doodle.mpg I have been playing since I was 14. I am 44 years old now. I have been away from the business, pretty much since 1984. I'm an independent economic analyst and my work, while it may seem uninteresting, is very fascinating and rewarding, especially since only I can do the type of work that I do. At the same time, I have loved the drums and especially recently, with Billy's encouragement, after my arm affliction. He convinced me to go lefty on my approach about 1.5 years ago, telling me that I had nothing to lose and everything to gain. He was right and now, I am enjoying myself behind the kit more than ever. Again, thanks to Boomer. I have to admit that Virgil has helped to light a fire under me, as well, his talent the greatest that I have seen, through the years. Tony would have loved him. I was fortunate to have studied with Tony, as a young teenager, though the experience was hard on me, at the time. However, just afterward, I had even better luck, setting up Steve Gadd's drums, one night, when he couldn't and becoming friends. He let me come back stage and watch him. I saw him every night, if he was in town and if my mom would lend me the money. I'll be seeing him in a couple of weeks and probably for the 100th time! He had a profound influence on me. I think you can tell. He had so many positive things to say you should have seen him talk about Tony. He worshipped him! I went to Berklee for a couple of semesters and hated it, though there were great kids there, at the time, (Kenwood Dennard, Steve Smith, Tommy Campbell, Roberto Petaccia (RIP), as well as Vinnie Colaiuta) but most of them were great BEFORE Berklee. "Don't think any school will make you one of them." Again, I'm a nobody but what I know, I will share with anybody and like "The Pig In The City", if I have nothing positive to say, I'll try and say nothing at all! I said I'd TRY. I know that what I said about Berklee wasn't very flattering. Of course, thank you for your compliment. What can I say except we're alike in that we admire one of the greatest drummers who has ever lived in Virgil Donati. By the way, I will be seeing him again, tonight.
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