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Markdude465 01-08-2006 10:51 PM

Easter Eggs - (Ignotus per Ignotium and such)
 
I just had a "wow" moment. (I love it when those happen...)

...like, really wow.

The "main riff" of the song Ignotum per Ignotius is subdevided 11, 9, and 15 sixteenth notes (...right?), and felt basically as 2 bars of 4/4 (or 1 bar of 8/4), with 3 sixteenths tacked on the end... And I had thought that was the bottom line, the crux of that idea.

but as it turns out...

2 bars of 4, at 4 sixteenths per quarter note, comes out to thirty two notes. Plus the tacked on 3 notes is thirty-five...

Which is a multiple of five and seven! Meaning you can do something like play a "Seven Eight" groove on that, with the "eighth notes" having a durration of 5 32nds... (I think.)

((The man's a friggin genius! *restrains self*))


...but...

On his solo spot on the record, Virg doesn't seem to do much with that fact (at least, to my ear...). So my question is... has he ever done something like that with it live? If so, does anybody have a clip they could post? And are there any other "easter egg" technical oddities like this in any other Planet X stuff?

And sorry to get so technical... I don't see many discussions about this sort of "nitty gritty" business on this board (I lurk quite a lot). And that dissapoints me, quite a bit. It seems to me that's what makes this kind of music so beautiful. I would reckon it's to avoid sounding "dorky and arrogant?" Or no? Or does it just not occur to people to have that sort discussion?

...whatd'yathink?

percusski 01-09-2006 04:44 AM

I have seen Planet X a few times now, also listened to the live album and various films of concerts floating about and on the whole Virgil tends to play pretty much what is on the records with a few slight variations part wise, but these parts are arranged and he sticks to them with little variation. However this is prog rock and the parts fit the songs. Personally i'd like to see more improvisation but that is just my opinion.
Playing cross rhythms through time signatures can be fun and basically comes down to maths in the end

frank 01-09-2006 09:08 AM

I don't think Virgil actually meant it to be a multiple of 5 and 7...

If he did, he might have done something with it, although I doubt that it will sound cool...

So, I think you're over-analyzing it.

Just my thoughts! :) Nice find anyway.

jimi 01-09-2006 10:04 AM

Virgil's book will give you a real insight into his thought process markdude465

SwantonBomberX 07-29-2012 06:05 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Markdude465
I just had a "wow" moment. (I love it when those happen...)

Which is a multiple of five and seven! Meaning you can do something like play a "Seven Eight" groove on that, with the "eighth notes" having a durration of 5 32nds... (I think.)

((The man's a friggin genius! *restrains self*))




Is not that crazy when you realize that lots of stuff have to do with 5 and 7's. We get lots of 5/8, 5/16 and 7/8 phrases in Ignotus. Even that part that seems to slow down the tempo has to do with accenting 5 and 7's 32nd notes on the bass drum...and after that there's also a section that is completely built on qintuplets over 4/4 time. I'm working on a transcription that will explain that better.


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