Moller s.o.s.
 

Hi,
I would like to start to learn Moller tech. I`v seen some Famularo, Weckl, movies showing the main ideas, but I`m simply interested what exercises should I practice to begin with? :confused:
Thank you wery much for any tip.
Its realy difficult to change a grip to Moller from wrist finger movement I`m realy confused :cool:

Can you lead me to the Famularo and Weckl videos you've seen demonstrating this technique?

Yes, sure. Famularo`s movies you can find on vic firth pages and some Mollers aspects are availabe on Weckl How to develop your technique. There are some explanations relating to wrist movement with accented singles (full strokes) and one handed triplets. I`m interested how Moller technique behaves with none accented singles (it seems to me that some free strokes are taken to do this, but I`m not sure) and paradidles?.

The "Moeller stroke" most guys speak of is what Moeller called the "down stroke" which is used for accenting. For non-accented strokes Moeller taught the same kind of forearm turn that most of the old-timers did. Not sure if this is what some guys are calling the "free" stroke or not. I demonstrate the kind of non-accent taps that Moeller taught on my site here. This is how Chapin taught me to do it.

The Moeller method applies to paradiddles in this way:
Right hand downstroke, left hand upstroke, right tap, right tap;
Left downstroke, right upstroke, left tap, left tap.

Using the Moeller stroke incorporates a whipping motion with the wrist.

Here is a short clip showing how it becomes almost effortless to move around the drums with accents using the Moeller stroke.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=C9OGWIAQ
Ejoy and God Bless
Tim
www.timwaterson.com

Johnny could you please explain in what way that is intergrated by the body and then applied to the kit (what actually happens)?

Hope my question is understandeble...

Thanks,
Me.

thank You wery much for your help,
Johnny I would like to join to your online lessons but paypal doesn`t exist in Polands reality. That is why I have a polite request to you to explain how wrist and altogether your hand behaves with non accented moller strokes, is there any precise exercise to apply? Accualy I`ve noticed that there is some forearm turn but I have no idea how to incorporate that arm action into playing. I have made some progres with Moller technique besides this aspect. Please help me with this if you could.
once again thank a lot for any tip and effort:)

The non-accented stroke is the free series of videos on hand technique. You don't have to do the pay-per-view thing with those.

Not by me after a full day of leading worship and a night of rehearsing. Could you explain your question a little more? My brain's frazzled right now.

Ok, I'll try to... I'm asking what to expect in terms of application when playing once this Moeller stroke is integrated. How do I know I'm doing things right?

I've never learned Moeller and there is nobody around here who could teach me. I'm convinced that my playing could get a lot better if I learned this approach. But I have know idea how to do so...

Thanks for your time :)

The best way to know if you're doing it right is to sit in front of a mirror. Watch my video and compare what you see to what you see yourself doing.

it will be dificult to get that non accented strokes without any video because it works with different forearm turn I didn`t see on your video, just normal free strokes that idea I understand and approach with my gripin. The next dificulties I see with combinig this forearm turn to whippin motion, and I`m not sure which turn direction I should take, inwards direction or outwards direction (towards or opposite to the second stick). But inwards direction seems more natural. What do you think about it?

Berlin here is a more explanational video on MY version of the Moeller stroke.
This is what Jim Chapin showed me.
http://forum.timwaterson.com/viewtopic.php?p=76#76
Hope this helps and God Bless
Tim
www.timwaterson.com

Tim, I think the question was not so much regarding accented downstrokes and nonaccented upstrokes as it was the method Moeller taught for regular tapping (what Jim refers to as "stop at the top" and other teachers commonly call the "full stroke"). Unless I'm getting the question wrong. Guys?

But heck yeah, that's a great demonstration of the down stroke.

Thanks Tim for that piece of information on your video. But downstokes and upstrokes are understadable for me, the problem seems to be with taps and turnning forearm to do that strokes properly with singles, doubles and the rest of the stuf, I mean non accented "taps" :)). That aspect interesting me the most and I still haven`t found the right direction how to apply and practice, any tip.. This taps motion is the core of Moller technique I realy would like to master. Even Jim Chapin haven`t showed this on Vic Firth pages...

Berlin, the Moeller tap is the same stroke Dom calls a "free stroke" and I call a "full stroke."

Watch the free stroke video on the Firth site. Notice that Dom's hand turns more from the forearm than from a flap of the wrist. It's essentially the same kind of motion the left hand makes in traditional grip, just flipped over for matched.

Would it be good idea to check out Steve Smith's hand work?

I`m gona check this out but I`v already watched Dom Famularo lessons and have not found, that`s quite amazing. When I learn this technique I`ll make an additional explanation movie:). Upstrokes and downstokes are only the basics of Moller, a real fun comes with a tap. And it is not a busines to make up and down strokes with fast non accented dobules and singles and traditional free strokes doesn`t come with as well. Check any of Ed Soph video...

Would you please explain this? I don't understand your meaning.

my english...:)
any way, in fast tempos with non accented strokes its realy difficult to operate with full up and down strokes thas why is needet to master this "taps". I have seen this special technique on Ed Soph video lessons and other drummers its a step forward in Moller technique. When I learn this technique I will make a vid to explain:))

I have one more question, how do you call a foot technique based on turning ankles when stroking bass pedal? It seems similar to Moller...:)))

Oh, at fast tempos your stick height comes down. Same motion, only smaller. The "stop at the top" thing is an exercise to develop the ability to take the rebound.

not exactly like that but wery close, I already have found what I was looking for. Now I need to concetrate on devoloping.
What about bass pedal technique I mentioned about before, I`m interesting in its name?
Thans Johnny for your help:))

[QUOTE=berlin]I`m gona check this out but I`v already watched Dom Famularo lessons and have not found, that`s quite amazing. When I learn this technique I`ll make an additional explanation movie:). Upstrokes and downstokes are only the basics of Moller, a real fun comes with a tap. And it is not a busines to make up and down strokes with fast non accented dobules and singles and traditional free strokes doesn`t come with as well. Check any of Ed Soph video...[/QUOTE
BRELIN just found this link.
Tommy is a master.
http://www.digbydoodle.com/Moeller/MoellerJazz-Rock.htm
I think this should help.
God Bless
Tim
www.timwaterson.com