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peter 09-01-2003 04:59 PM

270? Hmm...

As for the Axis-A's, they really are something and
very different from the X's, in that they have the
VDL (Variable Drive Lever). The longboard itself is
wonderful, allowing much more board to the foot,
especially on the lower portion.

I am very new to double-kicking and have been
experimenting a great deal, as you can see in the
other threads.

Make sure to check the VRUK videos I linked you
to. They are very interesting.

VRUK is just what people started calling Vuk (his
actual name) after a while. It just kind of happened.

Tommy G. 09-13-2003 07:16 AM

Peter,
I was curious about 2 things:
1. what is the length of the footplate of the axis longboard pedal. measure it from the edge of your bass drum hoop to the end of the plate.
2. what is the distance of your beater from the drumhead? measure from the drumhead to the top and front of your beater head. My beaters are in the 5 to 6 inch range. Any less and I lose power and volume - any more and I will lose a lot of speed.

Also - do those pedal attachments for the heel come as an accessory with the longboards?

Thanks.

Tommy G.

peter 09-13-2003 01:43 PM

Tommy,

1. 13-14 inches from hoop. It's a 14-inch plate.

2. You can change this, with either the Sonic
Hammer OR with your Allen wrench OR you can
use a more conventional Pearl beater (Quad)
like I do and at the original Allen setting, it's 5.5
inches away from the surface of the head.

3. If I understand you correctly, the Longboards
come as they are, all assembled, with only the
"Sonic Hammer" needing to be placed and this
you can supplant, as I have, with my beaters.

If you have an older model Axis X pedal, which
is not a Longboard, you can get a conversion kit.

I hope that this answers your questions. Let me
know if it doesn't.

Tommy G. 09-13-2003 03:14 PM

Peter,
Thanks for the info. Looks like I'll be able to use them on my Drumframe. The Pearls are 13 inches fyi. What were those attachments you had on the more conventional pedals in your movie files? Also - does the Axis package come with those nylon spacers etc. or a "kit" where one can adjust the footboard angle?

Thanks again.

Tommy G.

peter 09-13-2003 07:20 PM

Oh, you meant the VRUK attachments!

No, Tommy. Those are separate attachments
altogether. That was not me in the movie files.
That was Vuk himself, demonstrating them.

I don't have those nylon spacers you mentioned,
with my pedal.

Tommy G. 09-13-2003 09:07 PM

Peter,
Very interesting. Does Axis make those VRUK's? I was on the phone a couple of months ago with the big cheese over at Axis (I forgot his name) and he told me about a little kit they have to make even finer adjustments like I mentioned. I was specifically talking to him about the X-pedals that I didn't care for but I'll bet you it is available for the longboards as well.

Thanks.

Tommy G. (also a big Marco Minnemann fan!)

peter 09-14-2003 06:44 PM

Axis does not make the VRUK attachments but
Vuk is in negotiations with them and they may
fuse to make some kind of combo-product.

We'll have to see about that.

I was not aware of the "kit" you mentioned. I
will bring it up, when I talk to them next.

I use the Axis-A Longboard, which comes with
the VDL (Variable Drive Lever), which is very,
very useful. This changes the angle at which
the beater is brought down and this modifies
the response of the beater off the surface of
the drumhead/pad.

I'm continuing to experiment with pedals,
waiting for an Eliminator, right now.

Incidentally, Marco is a fine drummer, Tommy.

peter 09-15-2003 07:47 AM

Tommy,

Go out to the VRUK site and check
out the physics thre. I can attest
that the beaters are brought back
further and that the power gained
from them can't be matched and
that's not to mentioned what that
means for the second stroke.

Tommy G. 09-17-2003 08:35 PM

Hi Peter!
Thanks for the info on the VRUK site. I checked it out and it is very interesting to say the least. It seems like it may be worth a try for only $200 (for 2). I just hope the technique is easy to learn and I don't have too much "unlearning" to do. The pain in the neck with this setup is that I will have to modify my Drumframe somewhat to accept the added length it will have on my pedals. Based on your measurements you did for me (thank you very much) the Axis Longboards will fit perfectly by themselves. If you need any input on the Pearl Eliminators let me know - I've been experimenting with them for over 2 years now. Finally - I got a new DW kit this week. It's done up in broken glass finish ply with a blue fade. It will put any sparkle finish out there to shame. I know because my old DW kit (2 years old) was a lacquer sparkle job that just looks so weak next to the broken glass - you have to see it to believe it. I have a big kit, too. Two 22X18 bass drums, 8,10,12,14,16 Fast size rack mount toms and a 13X7 snare - all maple. The snare is unreal. It's the same size as the Yamaha Akira Jimbo beech snare that I have been using - which is also excellent. I crank 'em up really tight (but not choked) and I get get that great Bill Bruford sound.

Cheers!
Tom

peter 09-18-2003 07:44 AM

Tom,

That set-up sounds just fantastic.

Before you go for the VRUK attachments,
I want to talk to you about it.

I'm not sure if you are aware of it but
Tim Waterson uses them. If you contact
Vuk at VRUK, he will send you a CDR, which
includes Tim using his technique on the
VRUK attachments and which differs
markedly from Vuk's.

The technique (Vuk's) is NOT easy to learn.
Some of it counters the natural tendencies,
which drummers develop. That does NOT
mean, however, that the attachments are
not useful. If you approach it Tim's way,
especially on double-strokes, you can get
a LOT of power out your kicks.

Another thing to consider is how the Long-
board emulates the action somewhat,
giving the heel and opportunity to inter-
act with the beater. Heel-down players
will get a lot out of a Longboard.

Back to the VRUK - when just depressing
the attachments themselves, you get
powerful strokes into the kick surfaces
and this just cannot be matched, without
them. Especially the double-strokes are
enhanced, though I am not using them,
right now.

If you were in the Chicago area, I'd have
you try mine before you decided. It's not
for everyone but the physics are worth
some effort. If you have the money to
burn, I think you should have them around.

Let's chat more about it.

peter 09-18-2003 07:46 AM

Hey, Tommy. My wife is from Greenwich.
Where are you out there? I come out
there every year. I have family and clients
there. Who knows? Maybe we can hook
up someday.

peter 09-18-2003 07:58 AM

About those tendencies - we naturally
bring our feet down to produce strokes.
The VRUK works in the same way BUT
the heel produces a stroke on its own.

If you're producing strokes with the
heel, you need to accustom yourself
rhythmically to this. This is easier said
than done.

Still, it's worth some effort.

peter 09-18-2003 10:36 AM

Tom,

Why are you even thinking of using
another pedal, like the Axis-A Longboard,
when you're using the Eliminator?

Of course, I use the Axis-A but I have an
Eliminator being sent to me, so that I
can try them side-by-side.

I'm interested in the different cams. I
ordered the belt-drive for smoother
action. I understand they're using kevlar
now so I'm not worried about wear.

Speak of the devil! I just received it!

I have tried all the cams, preferring the
blue cam. You might have guessed. :D

Easy adjustments etc. The cams come
out and back in quickly too.

This is a fine pedal. It certainly feels
different on my left foot. I had to loosen
the spring a little for it.

I wish it had a longboard.

I'm tempted.



peter 09-18-2003 11:18 AM

I was just on the phone with the
factory at Axis. I was inquiring about
these optional spacers that allow for
the raising of the footboard. I'm ordering
them so as to raise the angle, which I
believe I will like, especially for my
doubles, which I have been spending
more time on lately.

I'll wait to receive them before I make
a decision on whether to sell my Long-
board for another Pearl or the other way
around. Tom, let me know if you're inter-
ested and I'll give you dibs. ;)

Tommy G. 09-19-2003 08:19 PM

Hi Peter!
I am in Shelton at the very Northeastern end of Fairfield County just past Trumbull - maybe 40 - 45 minutes from Greenwich on a good traffic day. I'm definitely into getting together when you come to CT.
How are your doubles with the Pearl? The strap (which I have) will be no problem in terms of wear. You can really go nuts with the settings with all of the cams. The red one looks like it may be imitating the Axis drive a bit by pushing the strap closer to the drum. Even though the red cam makes the pedal feel really light (and don't forget about the 3 powershift adjustments at the heel) but you may need to compensate for loos of power by raising the beater a bit. It's just the reverse as you go from blue to white to black. I dug out the sonic hammers today and tried some settings again - yuk!! I definitely don't care for them. You know what beater is nice though is the Axis Marksman. They were on the X pedals I tried and I put them on the Pearls and the rebound was great. Let me know how you make out with those spacers. The steeper the angle the better. The guy at Axis told me the Axis pedals were designed to compensate for the weight of the Sonic Hammers. I don't think so. They were like moving a truck on the Axis X's. :))

Enjoy and keep me posted.

Happy Friday!

Tom


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