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C.J.
04-09-2004, 01:57 AM
Hi to everybody !

I have been drumming for a bit now, and I feel that I have come to a point where I need to choose a technique and develop it. I hesitate in between two techniques : the finger control technique, and the wrist technique (like Virgil). Would anybody be able to tell me the ups and the downs of each technique, or simply share their experience using one or the other ?

Thanx alot,
Cheers !

Lucius
04-09-2004, 02:29 AM
Why not just practice both?

C.J.
04-09-2004, 01:38 PM
When I say finger control technique I hear by that the finger control technique like Marco Minneman uses, which is not commonly used this way I believe... I may be wrong. I don't know many drummers who use that technique a part from him and Terry Bozzio... Others tend to use the Gladstone or Moeller Technique when searching for combined speed and endurance, wich implies using the wrist more than the fingers... That's how I understand the thing, or am I misunderstading something here ??

Xen-
04-09-2004, 01:53 PM
You get more speed with finger technique, but I think that the wrist technique allows a greater range of dynamics. Also, Marco and Terry are always extremely tensed when playing fast.

Lucius
04-09-2004, 04:19 PM
You dont get more speed in fingers than wrists, just look at Mike Mangini, he broke the record with wrists, it just takes more time, for some things fingers may be better, for some things wrists may be better, so why not develop a good and even facility between the two?

C.J.
04-10-2004, 03:40 AM
Well actually, Marco unoficially broke the record using his technique : " Marco Minnemann has unofficially broken the record by playing 1,080 singles in 60 seconds! A record is officially broken when the score is witnessed by the WFD either by video tape or at a WFD event." this is from the drumometer website. So in that case fingers help to...

I just guess I'll try and find a combintion in between the two then. Thanks for your help guys !

May the stix be with you !

Lucius
04-10-2004, 08:31 PM
Actually, Marco did that ages ago, he unofficially broke Johnny Rabb's record, since Marco did that, Art Verdi broke that, then Jotan broke that, then Mike broke all of them.

"I just received word that Mike broke yet another W.F.D. (World's Fastest Drummer) record this past weekend in Anaheim while attending the NAMM show.
Apparently he broke Jotan's matched grip singles record with 1180!* Apparently Jotan got 1177 in the same event... very close!
Mike now holds 3 of the 4 'official' WFD records (bare hands, matched grip & traditional grip)."

Thats from the Mike Mangini forum, and all of that is offical, so right now, Mike has the world fastest hands on record, using wrists!

vdreignsuponus1
04-11-2004, 09:53 AM
ha, finger and wrist..hmm..i actually do a combination of the two!:D

quitou
04-11-2004, 03:05 PM
Yup Yup,
Just like Lucius said, right now Mike Mangini has the fastest hands on record...Mike holds the record for bare handed singles (no sticks), traditional grip singles, and matched grip singles...and just like Lucius said, Mike uses all wrists in his strokes NOT fingers...This is something that Mike repeatedly stressed in his clinic, that he uses wrists and not fingers...so if all the speed records are currently held by a guy that uses wrist strokes and not fingers, then I think that means that using fingers is NOT faster than using wrists...going off the top of my head, Mike did 1126 strokes using traditional grip, 1180 using matched and something like 1080 barehanded...these numbers are off the top of my head so they could be a bit off...but the point is, wrists are just as fast (if not faster) than fingers....

Lucius
04-11-2004, 04:01 PM
Pete Drummond also uses maily wrists, and believe me, he's fast! I just think the wrists offer the same amount of speed, but the power to come along with it, but theres no harm in being good at both fingers and wrists, use different parts to play different things, one's feel may better suit the groove to you, or what your playing, it's not really a good idea to limit yourself. Mike does use wrists most of the time, but he can use fingers, maybe I should shut up now! :D

vdreignsuponus1
04-11-2004, 04:08 PM
hey, does anyone have an mangini videos? i cant find anywhere. there arn't any at drummerworld..which is where i usually get shit. i dont think there r any at hudson music. so if anyone knows where i can get mangini videos..or who has any..pls post em! thanx!:D

Lucius
04-11-2004, 07:07 PM
www.mikemangini.com

vdreignsuponus1
04-11-2004, 07:39 PM
me being the dumbass..not checking his own site..ahh..

Lucius
04-11-2004, 10:46 PM
Haha :) We all have our moments! ;)

jimi
04-12-2004, 05:03 AM
Ya, there's loads of stuff on that site, be sure to look in the forum, there's a 50mb solo (i already had that), a portnoy/mangini mp3 (didnt get it yet!), and other stuff!
Actually if anyone has Mangini clinics, i'd be severely interested!:D

C.J.
04-12-2004, 11:22 AM
Jimi, would you have the kindness to indicate in what thread that "50Mb solo" would be ? I've been looking around on the forum but I can find it... :confused:

Cheers

jimi
04-13-2004, 11:15 AM
Can't have me doing ALL the dirty work can we?:)

C.J.
04-13-2004, 12:45 PM
One word : bummer !

alencore
04-13-2004, 12:52 PM
i think wrist has more power and yeah, dynamics. just look at those nice single stroke rolls of buddy going from loud to soft to soft to loud.

but when i look at my right hand strokes seems i'm using both but the wrist being more dominant while my left is using all wrist.

wrist action is really important especially when you're alone and nobody is loving you so its seems there will be more arm movement there squeezing the life of your.......hahaha.......

C.J.
04-13-2004, 01:06 PM
Nice one Alencore !! LoL ! That's all that was missing in this thread : a good joke about "wrist devellopment exercices"...