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Dan Larson
11-04-2003, 02:17 PM
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to keep up with the section of the video where " the feet play four strokes each and the hands play two strokes each." My hands can keep up fine, its playing four strokes with each foot that I find difficult. Any tips or technique suggestions are appreciated very much!

peter
11-04-2003, 02:28 PM
On these single-kick-strokes,
you have to start slow, Dan
and you have to STAY slow for
a while until you are VERY com-
fortable with the consistency
of your kicks.

If you're playing heel-up, that's
probably what's getting in the
way BUT if you're doing them
heel-down, you have the prob-
lem of dealing with the switch;
when you double-stroke the
four against the two on your
hands. I think you know what
I mean. It's not easy. You have
to work towards consistency.

Hope it helps. :)

Dan Larson
11-04-2003, 02:59 PM
thanks for your help peter! i use the axis longboards like you and it seems like in the video he starts with his heels on the heel plates and then brings the heel up for 4 quick strokes then the heel comes back down controling the foot board movement so it's motionless for the next four strokes. maybe part of my problem is that the axis longboard is very fast and tough to control. maybe some adjustments are needed with the springs or something. what do you think? thanks!

Milo Porto
11-04-2003, 03:06 PM
dan ...you have the axis long board...have you played the eliminator......if so how is it compared to the long board??

just wondering??;)

thanx!

peter
11-04-2003, 03:19 PM
Dan and Milo,

The Axis-Longboard is another
world as far as pedals go. I have
both the Eliminators and Axis-A's,
for your information, Dan.

Here's my suggestion on adjust-
ing it. The spring used by Axis is
a heavier gauge and therefore it
should actually do a better job of
coming to a standstill than any of
its competitors.

Consider what I say carefully.

When Virgil does this routine
that you mention, there are two
separate activities taking place.
You might consider making it
just one activity.

If you are using the Sonic-Hammers,
replace them with regular beaters.
Now, I'm not sure but you may try
moving your foot to an area on the
board and keeping it there through-
out the routine.

Get back to me and let me know and
we'll chat more about it. :)

timthedrummer
11-04-2003, 03:56 PM
peter you said the axis longboards are a whole other world...
i know u say that in regards to virgils ability...
so do you mean the axis's are alot better than everything else??

peter
11-04-2003, 04:08 PM
TTD,

In my opinion, I think the design
is the best. I said a lot about them
in the thread on them. Recently, I
have been chatting a lot with Tommy
there about them.

Check that thread out and see if I
answer some of the questions that
you might have there. If not, I'll be
glad to talk about it here.

I have both the Eliminator and Axis
pedals BUT I only have one Axis-A,
while I have two Eliminators.

The problem with the Axis pedals is
the cost and when I say that the
Eliminator is the best pedal for the
money, I mean that literally. Most
of us here can't throw $200 away
on a single pedal. The Eliminators
are only $110-120. With the versatile
cams, they are definitely the best
value. I have to keep saying that.

On the other hand, if I could just
throw another $200 away, I'd get
me another Axis-A Longboard.

The action is so instantly responsive.
The VDL does everything that the
cams do and it's all on board. The
aluminum is light as a feather.

What can I say? :)

Dan Larson
11-04-2003, 04:27 PM
milo- i haven't played the eliminators- i just have the eliminator remote hi-hat.
peter- thanks for the help- im not sure what you mean by "making it one activity" with regards to the foot motion. i've been using regular beaters for a while now and i find that i get a lot of unwanted ghostnotes like when ill play paradiddles- maybe thats because of the spring or beater angle? Maybe the pedal just needs some adjusting. i also tend to hang my heels totally off of the end of the footboard- maybe i should move my foot further up for more control??

peter
11-04-2003, 06:26 PM
Dan,

What I meant by one activity,
was avoiding the two separate
actions - kicking and then stop-
ping the rock.

How is the spring tension? Do
you like it? Can we tighten and
keep the comfort?

The Longboard is LONG. If you're
hanging off the end, you are prob-
ably getting good double-action
BUT you're getting the unwanted
ghost-notes, you mentioned. If
this is the Axis-A, adjust your VDL
towards you. Then, see if you can
come up on the footboard some. If
it's the X-series, we're going to
have to try something else.

If you can take a picture, that
would help me too.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but
I thought I saw Thomas Lang bury
his beater during his 4-stroke or
was it Marco? Someone?

Let me know.

Dan Larson
11-05-2003, 10:29 AM
peter- thanks again- ill try some of the adjustments on the axis-A like you mentioned. marco seems to bury the beater on his dvd but i've never seen lang play before.

peter
11-05-2003, 11:18 AM
Buryin the beater could help
but let's exhaust all the pos-
sibilities. Good luck. :)

peter
11-06-2003, 10:19 AM
Dan,

I have a suggestion.

When I am working on the 4-strokes
and 4-stroke combos, I am now paying
special attention to what's happening
down there and I am convinced that,
while playing low on the footboard, you
keep your heels, which are off the foot-
board, VERY CLOSE, if not touching the
ground. You are now pushing the pedal
more than anything else and after the
4th stroke, rest your heel to the ground
or even just touch it and this will stop
the pedal from continuing to rock. Try it
and get back to me.

:)