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alencore
07-22-2005, 12:04 PM
I'd been following this guy career since I became a cycling enthusiast myself around late 1997.
he's about to win his 7th straight Tour De France.
i think his dedication to cycling equals that of virgil in drumming.

C.J.
07-22-2005, 01:19 PM
Aww... I don't intend to criticize your tastes Alencore, but I can't stand the Tour de France.

I live in France, and to have that all day long on channel 3 is really ennoying. It's funny though when you get incidents, like guys who run naked across the road, people who jump in front of the cyclists to hit them or something.

What's discusting though, is when they take a pee, or need to s**t. They do it on their cycles... Ewwwww!

Hum... Sorry.

cjcdrums
07-22-2005, 01:32 PM
OMG, that's hilarious... I wonder if they practice taking a crap while riding!?

Johnny
07-22-2005, 02:12 PM
Good cyclist, not a good role model.

toteman2
07-22-2005, 04:41 PM
I was watching a special on him the other night...He is a genetic FREAK!!!!! His heart can pump 4-5 more gallons of blood per minute than the average human...There were also saying how he can take in alot more oxygen than most humans, and has more red blood cells...I guess only 1% of humans possess these traits...

Johnny, why don't you think he is a good role model? The guy was diagnosed with cancer all over his body and somehow overcame that to become the most impressive cyclist in history...I don't know, i think that is something to look up to...

vdreignsuponus1
07-22-2005, 04:49 PM
i think the man's amazing!

Fede
07-22-2005, 04:50 PM
I was watching a special on him the other night...He is a genetic FREAK!!!!! His heart can pump 4-5 more gallons of blood per minute than the average human...There were also saying how he can take in alot more oxygen than most humans, and has more red blood cells...I guess only 1% of humans possess these traits...


With that in mind ("genetic FREAK"), put him in the jungle a few thousand years back amongst other human beings (the other 99%). Tough environment, that he can survive but the others won't, so he gets to mate and pass on those genes - what have you got? :p

Sorry, crossjacking a dead horse again.... (errh...)

KarnEvil
07-22-2005, 05:10 PM
Is this a drum forum? :confused:

We're talking about lance armstrong in a jungle? I'm sorry its just funny how we get into these discussions.

Johnny
07-22-2005, 05:21 PM
Johnny, why don't you think he is a good role model? The guy was diagnosed with cancer all over his body and somehow overcame that to become the most impressive cyclist in history...I don't know, i think that is something to look up to...

I admire his fight against cancer, but I'm not terribly impressed that then he left his wife and kids.

morgenthaler
07-22-2005, 06:04 PM
I've been talking to pros and believe me you DO NOT wanna know the truth about doping... I won't elaborate, but I have to say I see their great victories in a different light. A shame since we've got a Dane in 3rd position right now.

Ahh well...they are only cyclists... NOT drummers.

Wankmaster Joe
07-22-2005, 10:14 PM
Well Johny there is this thing called love and myabe he didn't have it for his wife and his child so what would be the logical thing to do? Leave them of course. But if left them just for cycling then I don't see the point but if he did it because he didn't find love with them then I see good reasoning.

Johnny
07-22-2005, 10:59 PM
Well Johny there is this thing called love and myabe he didn't have it for his wife and his child so what would be the logical thing to do? Leave them, of course.

Wow. I don't quite know how to reply to that.

toteman2
07-22-2005, 11:15 PM
I admire his fight against cancer, but I'm not terribly impressed that then he left his wife and kids.


LOL, i didn't know that...

KarnEvil
07-23-2005, 12:36 AM
If you can't "find" love for your wife and children, you're what I call a bum.

C.J.
07-23-2005, 03:33 AM
I don't agree... Those kind of things do happen. You CAn loose your love for your girlfriend, wife etc. People to whom this happends somtimes suffer from it also. So I wouldn't go as far as calling one a Bum.

You don't control "Love"...

My opinion.

frank
07-23-2005, 04:14 AM
Lance Amstrong is nothing but a sick US experiment, they created him to show the world their advanced technology.. :p

nah just kidding.

I don't really dig the tour the france, but I have to admire Amstrong's skills!

Johnny
07-23-2005, 07:03 AM
If you can't "find" love for your wife and children, you're what I call a bum.

Yes. A bum in need of repentance, which I pray Lance will find in his current relationship, as well as with his kids.

Love is not some googly feeling. It is a commitment of the will toward another person's good. No one can feel mushy about anyone all the time. I can guarantee every guy here that your girlfriend is not walking around blissfully happy with you on her mind. Sometimes, your faults really bug her. Yet she overlooks them because of...yep, love.

When you marry a person, you take a vow to love them. You don't vow to maintain a feeling, you vow to treat them in a particular way. Now, no one makes a promise to do what they already intended to do. Vows are made specifically for those times when they are difficult to maintain.

No man has greater love than that he lays down his life for his friends. His wife is his greatest friend, closer than any other. Self-sacrificial love means committing to her good first: "My life for yours."

That's the kind of love worth striving towards. I try to become that kind of husband.

Someday, every one of us will be old, ugly, sick, and not very "lovable." Do you want those around you to bail because they don't have mushy feelings for you?

alencore
07-23-2005, 10:03 AM
he's retiring after this tour bec. he want to spend full time with his 3 kids which he loves so dearly. yeah he left his wife but still good friends or even better HE SAID. why ppl get divorced bec. they got married...says Willie Brown.

well, the press says Lance trains really really really hard. if he uses dope or any other cheat then he's with the mafia, LOL!

Johnny
07-23-2005, 10:10 AM
I hope and pray he does spend all his time with the kids. That would go a long way to undoing the damage of breaking their home apart. That would impress me way more than anything else he has done.

alencore
07-23-2005, 10:12 AM
Aww... I don't intend to criticize your tastes Alencore, but I can't stand the Tour de France.

I live in France, and to have that all day long on channel 3 is really ennoying. It's funny though when you get incidents, like guys who run naked across the road, people who jump in front of the cyclists to hit them or something.

What's discusting though, is when they take a pee, or need to s**t. They do it on their cycles... Ewwwww!

Hum... Sorry.
lol, yeah those crazy pro cyclist do such things just to gain a mile or two on the race.
that's why i just ride for fun and good exercise not for this crazy glory you have to deal with in a real race. yet i love to watch such event hehe.

anyway cycling has it's most practical use and that is commuting riding a bike which has help me save some money aside keeping me fit and added more stamina in my drumming.

btw - as far as i know they don't zhit during a race, they pee yeah but not during riding a bike or you'll get terrible blister on the ins..eww. but if they can't stand it they just quit and cry.

alencore
07-23-2005, 10:32 AM
I've been talking to pros and believe me you DO NOT wanna know the truth about doping... I won't elaborate, but I have to say I see their great victories in a different light. A shame since we've got a Dane in 3rd position right now.

Ahh well...they are only cyclists... NOT drummers.

yeah that's a sad fact some bad apples in the pro cycling circuit ruins this sport.
Lance has been tested more than any athlete they say. but before his cancer he was already a super athlete cocky arrogant bastard. after the cancer made him a better kinder man and he would always say to the press before a tough stage race as humble as he can by saying...we'll see. and after 6 wins on TDF he still says that.

anyway his 7th win is already 100% sure unless he gets a nasty crush or decided to quit bec. he wanna zhit....LOLZ!!!!

vdreignsuponus1
07-23-2005, 10:53 AM
Well Johny there is this thing called love and myabe he didn't have it for his wife and his child so what would be the logical thing to do? Leave them of course.

have you ever seen the movie "house of sand and fog?"

C.J.
07-23-2005, 12:43 PM
Alencore, I swear dude, THEY DO do it whilst riding. I've seen footage of it on T.V. when they were showing the bloopers.

Kinetic drummer
07-23-2005, 12:55 PM
yeah! lance is the man!!

drummaman1
07-23-2005, 03:19 PM
..this is how it is in this country, where we 'elevate' these athletes (entertainers) to this 'role model' level, that they SHOULD be living their life in some 'perfect' way, for us to emulate...when in the final analysis, these athletes are no better, or worse, than the rest of us are. Then they become a 'not good athlete' in our mind, because they didn't live up to the 'role model' standard we set for them.

It's total crap. Either way, you lose.

so...it's a drum forum. Is there NOTHING else going on in this world???? The reason I like this drum forum is that we can TALK about non-drumming topics without being SUBJECTIVE. There are plenty of Dbl Bass posts in this forum, go post in those, not in these....

:-)

Johnny
07-23-2005, 03:29 PM
I don't disparage the man's athletic abilities at all. He's obviously the best there is right now.

But the "role" of husband and father was already well established before Lance came along. And the criteria of crappy husband and father were already there too.

What I am saying with my remarks is that a man's fidelity to his wife and kids is way more important than how fast he pedals.

This, to me, is vitally important to the drums. I tell guys all the time that part of being a good drummer is being a good man. There's a practical side to that: who wants to spend a tour with someone they can't stand? Who wants to throw their lot in with a man with no integrity? Who wants to hire a clinician who is a demanding, abusive jerk?

I can still remember the first time I heard the "Buddy Rich Tapes." From then on, I really haven't cared terribly much about Buddy's drumming. All I can think is, "So what? Those guys standing next to him hate his guts. I wonder if he talked to his wife the way he talked to them?"

I've met a whole lot of the top drummers out there and have found most of them to be men of integrity. That is usually what makes me a fan. Chops are a given at a certain level.

johngregson
07-23-2005, 04:09 PM
I've met a whole lot of the top drummers out there and have found most of them to be men of integrity. That is usually what makes me a fan.
Ditto!
A good test is also how the musician responds to their fan(s) - I've met certain musicians (no names!) who were so up themselves they wouldn't acknowledge their fans, after they'd been waiting in the pouring rain for hours. It really can put you off someone if they don't respect the people who are so important to them, friends, family or fans.
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pcannon
07-23-2005, 06:11 PM
I was married for 10 years, divorced for 8 years, but my two daugthers are still THE most important thing in my life!! You DON'T divorce your kids. I think that's the "unappealing" trait that people may think Lance has. He may (like me) keep that part of his life private. You have to keep somethings for yourself, hence the term "Private life".

Johnny
07-23-2005, 06:25 PM
John,
"so up themselves..."

I've got to adopt that phrase. With a Texas accent, of course.

C.J.
07-24-2005, 04:01 AM
John G,

I've also met musicians that are very well known and turned out to be "up themselves". Man I was disapointed... It's true, it puts you of their music. And personnally it makes me sad (that's because I admired them).

And Johnny, I admire your attitude dear sir, you truly inspire respect. :)

drummaman1
07-24-2005, 07:31 AM
I've heard "stories" where Weckl, at a gig, was acting the total "prima donna", and was livid that one night after playing, he had to tear down HIS OWN GEAR! I guess when you're used to certain things...

Tony Williams would ignore and lambaste drummers, 'starry-eyed newbies', who would ask stupid drummer questions of him. (Why do you use three floor toms, What kind of sticks do you use, why are both heads the black dot kind...and on and on...I never met him, I'm only speculating.) Once, he threw his sticks and stormed off-stage when the sound guy had the AUDACITY to tell Tony he was playing too loud......!

I'm not sure if the stories are 'legend' or just a way to denigrate a name musician because they 'rubbed you the wrong way' when you tried to meet them one day.

It is off-putting when this happens...because you have this idea of the person, who is invariably in the spotlight from time to time, and stories, like Buddy Richs' notorious temper, and Lance Armstrongs' infidelity, to put it in context, and it is disheartening when you see or hear about this (if you're even supposed to) because as it adds another dimension to their persona, it also adds another layer that you weren't expecting it to.

I guess my point to all this is, if you put anyone you admire on a pedestal, don't be surprised when they come off of it, because they will.

Johnny
07-24-2005, 07:36 AM
With clinicians and touring guys, you always have to factor in that maybe they aren't feeling well or are having a bad day.

I had several experiences with a particular drummer that convinced me that yes, he is a big jerk. But I hear that he's mellowed out in recent years. It's made me want to hear him play again.

Some guys are simply meticulous in their presentation/requirements, and very up front about their needs. Mangini is like that. Some people will think that means he's uncool, but it really is him just wanting to deliver the best to the audience. But he's always been not only kind, but a riot to be around every time I've seen him.

MaltBuddow3
07-24-2005, 08:01 AM
lars ulrich

alencore
07-24-2005, 10:21 AM
it's over. lance got his freakin 7th tour under his belt. half or more of that accomplishment was done tnx to his awesome team and staff.

Lance current girlfriend Sheryl Crow (yeah that cool pop singer/songwriter) escorted Lance 3 kids as he crossed the line winning stage 20. it was a sweet victory and such a beautiful sight as his kids embraced their father
and even jam along side him as they interviewed him and stated that all he will be concentrating now he is retired is HIS KIDS and may be play tambourine on Sheryl's band lol!

vdreignsuponus1
07-24-2005, 11:17 AM
tambourine..

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alencore
07-24-2005, 11:37 AM
a little of what the man has to say as the tour concluded.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2005/tour05/news/?id=/news/2005/jul05/jul24news3