what books you play???

[DRUMVARNA]

Hi everyone!!!

I play now,one book for shnare drums,Horacio Fernandes books,and Gavin Harison(crazy man)2 books!!

I play all that books together,because i play a long of time only one books,and now i try to play all!!!

DRUMVARNA!!

[alencore]

That's pure drumming dedication and PASSION MAN! Keep it up!

I take bits and pieces of stuff to drum books like that of David Garibaldi. Those Alfred's Basics to drumming are really good if you teach drums to kids or adults.

Drum videos are the most fun. I got lots of chops just watching those dave weckl, terry bozzio and gregg bissonette vids.

[quitou]

I've been through so many books (I can think of around 10 off the top of my head) with teachers over the years, but right now I'm going through Modern School for Snare Drum by Morris Goldenberg, Extreme Interdependence by Marco Minnemann and Rick Gratton, bits and pieces from Mangini's Rhythm Knowledge....also on my own and also through my teacher we just go through some pages of various books or exercises I find on the net...

I'm also a nut for instructional videos...I have Steve Smith's newest DVD, Virgil's Md performance, Portnoy's video, Peart's video, two Weckl videos, a steve gadd video, chad smith video, and I have one of the Buddy Righ Memorial Scholarship tapes featuring Weckl, Gadd, and Vinnie...next on my list is Lang's DVD...

I'm a crazy bastard who just wants to learn as much as possible and soak in as much info as I can from as many people as possible.

[Lucius]

You have Rhythm Knowledge? whats it like? Ive always been curious as to whether it is as good as the site claims it to be.

[quitou]

Hey Lucius,

Yup, I've got both Rhythm Knowledge books...I really like them...the first is more of a theory/philosophy kinda book...it talks a lot about HOW you should practice...he goes into a lot of detail as to how the body and mind function and he applies these principles to how you should practice to maximize results...he also talks alot about practice management and how to organize your pracitce sessions...it's basically really good advice drumming...

The second book gives actual exercises....he presents one drill called the clockwise counterclockwise system which is basically just designed to get all your limbs working and gets all your limbs used to leading and following eachother....really good drill....he says is should be practiced initially as singles, and then using flams (I have only done it as singles so far)....he talks alot about counting aswell...this is one thing he emphasizes alot is COUNTING while you play....he basically teaches you how to count groupings of different length (from 3 to 19)...he's also developed a system called "not quite doubled" which teaches you how to count odd note groupings (3, 5, 7, 9, etc.)....he gives a bunch of drills for practicing this....one of the drills is something he calls "Two Numbers Twice" which gets you playing a whole bunch of different combinations of these 3 through 19 note groupings....most of these exercises he just presents in a basic form (ie. written kinda like a snare drum part), and it's up to you to breack it up in different ways (ie.using diff. sticking combinations, breaking it up in different ways between your hands and your feet, etc.)....the last section is called "all the permutations" where he breaks down all the possible ways you can play rhythms in different groupings (ie. 5, 6, 7, etc. note groupings)...for example I think there are something like 32 different permuations you can play within a 5 note grouping (I think...I'm going off the top of my head here so I can't exactly remember)...

Hopefully that all makes sense...I really like the books...any body else have an opinion?????

[Lucius]

Thanks Quitou, really appreciate it! :D it sounds like something well worth getting, and if the system produces someone like Mike then it cant be that bad ay ;)

[alencore]

Originally posted by quitou
Hey Lucius,

Yup, I've got both Rhythm Knowledge books...I really like them...the first is more of a theory/philosophy kinda book...it talks a lot about HOW you should practice...he goes into a lot of detail as to how the body and mind function and he applies these principles to how you should practice to maximize results...he also talks alot about practice management and how to organize your pracitce sessions...it's basically really good advice drumming...

The second book gives actual exercises....he presents one drill called the clockwise counterclockwise system which is basically just designed to get all your limbs working and gets all your limbs used to leading and following eachother....really good drill....he says is should be practiced initially as singles, and then using flams (I have only done it as singles so far)....he talks alot about counting aswell...this is one thing he emphasizes alot is COUNTING while you play....he basically teaches you how to count groupings of different length (from 3 to 19)...he's also developed a system called "not quite doubled" which teaches you how to count odd note groupings (3, 5, 7, 9, etc.)....he gives a bunch of drills for practicing this....one of the drills is something he calls "Two Numbers Twice" which gets you playing a whole bunch of different combinations of these 3 through 19 note groupings....most of these exercises he just presents in a basic form (ie. written kinda like a snare drum part), and it's up to you to breack it up in different ways (ie.using diff. sticking combinations, breaking it up in different ways between your hands and your feet, etc.)....the last section is called "all the permutations" where he breaks down all the possible ways you can play rhythms in different groupings (ie. 5, 6, 7, etc. note groupings)...for example I think there are something like 32 different permuations you can play within a 5 note grouping (I think...I'm going off the top of my head here so I can't exactly remember)...

Hopefully that all makes sense...I really like the books...any body else have an opinion?????

sounds mighty awesome books. will try to get copies.

[DRUMVARNA]

Hi Quitou!!!
man i need to read a first pard ot Rhythm knolegge,but i dont find in Bulgaria this book,and i dont have a credit cart to get it fotm the internet shop!!!
please sned to me some pages from theis book to my e-mail!!PLEACEEEEEEE
my mail is:danbd6@yahoo.com
i very liekd the Virgil video lessons,OBSESSIVE RHYTHMS and POWER DRUMING!!!he says everything there and play every stuff!!!thats in off for me mrom video point,i dont want to look others video lessons for now!!!

but i realey intresting how whe practicing these books,because not every autor speak how whe practicing his book!!

CHAO!!!!!

[quitou]

Hey Drumvarna,
I don't own a scanner, but I'll see if one of my friends does...if they do I'll be able to email it to you....if might take a while...I'll see what I can do...

[Tool]

I also went through so many books, today for instance I practiced the Charly Antolini "Power Drums" book, that includes swiss drumming, Charly´s Jazz studies, breaks, latin corner, funky time etc... it´s a book from Schott press.
And again, the Agostini shit is great, Volume IV "Independence" as an example......

[DRUMVARNA]

It's good Toll,i hear abouth this drummer but nothing serious!!!
start to Play "The New Breath"by Garry Chester!!it very good book!!

[jonberg]

Where can I order the Rythm Knowledge book??
It seems to be a good book!

[swedendrummer]

try amazon

[quitou]

I think there's an actual rhythm knowledge web page....if you go to

http://www.mikemangini.com

there is a link to the RK page.....I got mine when he did a clinic here in Calgary....he brought a couple copies with him....

[quitou]

I know you can order them from that web site

[Lucius]

I did, so far its working wonders :D

[MaltBuddow3]

There's a ton you can learn from books, and we have to be creative to really get the best out of a book... my teacher has me focused on just a few sections of a book, but there is so much you can do with it. For ex.: in books like Future Sounds and other groove studies books, we displace ALL the grooves, playing them regular, then starting on the and of 1, then the and of 4, then back to 1, creating a pattern you might hear Virgil, Weckl, or Vinnie C. do. In Syncopation we take the triplet patterns and put the accents on the toms and cymbals, and then fill in all the unaccented notes with diddles, which turns a few patterns into a Buddy Rich snare drum solo! In Stick Control we play numbers
5-8 six different ways around the drums, and the patterns really get you out of thinking "tonally," like descending tom licks, and gets you feeling Elvin Jones type phrasings. Books are awesome!!! Those who take them seriously are much more likely to rise to the top than those who dont!

[CainIV]

I've been using the Mangini books for a year now...they do wonders for counting, odd time signatures, polyrhythyms independence...the C+C excercise is really good...as well as the permutations...

http://www.rcmediaonline.com/

this is the link for canandian drummer, and rhythymknowledge.com is the link for other drummers in other parts of the world.....



:rolleyes:

[Drumblast]

Hey,

Has everyone forgotten Gary Chaffee Patterns 2, the sticking book. This book is excellent.

As well as Rick's Licks by Rick Gratton. Which is an extension of Chaffee's methods.

Peace

[DRUMVARNA]

i try to find it man,but i'm not sure!!in Bulgaria whe dont have a book magazine!!if is not a problem for you send me some matherial in E mail:danbd6@yahoo.com

thenx a lot!!
DRUMARNA

[MaltBuddow3]

Rick's licks is awesome! I dont have the book, but the video tuned my brain in to "outside" concepts.

[swedendrummer]

today i recived ricks licks, the new breed, polyrythm for the drumset, rythmic illusions, pattern generations and soon i will order the rythm knowledge books....i got a little work to do..hehe
any suggestions where to start whith all these great books?

[quitou]

I actually just bought a copy of Conversations in Clave by Horacio "El Negro" Hernandez....I've only gone through the first section that deals with understanding the clave....so far so good....this is one style of drumming that I really want to explore....to me, it sounds absolutely wicked when you hear Negro tearing it up in this style....Anybody gone through this book????

[Tool]

it sounds absolutely wicked when you hear Negro tearing it up in this style....Anybody gone through this book????
Jep, I started it some time ago and Iam in the middle right now.
It´s an excellent book, really great independence workout.
Thumbs up for Negro!!!

[Brobjer]

SD:
Rhythmic Illusions! It is really great and a whole new prespecta on the drums. Challenging too! Good luck!

- BroBz

[Brobjer]

Vart beställde du dem?

[DRUMVARNA]

this is cool book,Brobjer!!!
i have and Rhythmic perspectice by Gavin Harisson,do you know this book!
I worked a "The New Breath"by Garry Chester ,and "Crossticing"by Ron Spagnardi,and want to start soon Rhythmic Ilussion!!
DRUMVARNA

[swedendrummer]

på amazon.....jag ska försöka få tag på rythm knowledge snart...men det ee lite problem med det..

[Mack N Drum]

I'm a big fan of New Breed I and II; really the foundation for the comprehension of independence. I've also been a big fan of Garibaldi's Future Sounds; this book might the most important book that we as drummers can study for our groove playing. MI teacher, Maria Martinez, has a couple of great books available on Afro-Latin studies. I've gotten a lot from Afro-Cuban Coordination for Drumset.

I've been trying to get into Minnemann's book, but, thus far, I actually haven't been to impressed with the exercises and plan of the book. It seems to be an attempt to "update" New Breed, but I think it falls short. I'm interested in exploring Mangini's material, so that'll be my next stop.

And I can't wait for Lang's new DVD!

[Revan]

I've been working out of Gary Chaffee's Patterns series for a while now, and between those 5 books, I have everything I need to work from. I've found that the key is to recycle the exercises, not just burn through the books once and be done. Like others have said, a lifetime could be spent in only one of the books.

[peter]

Good advice, Revan. It's true.
Gary is one of the linear pion-
eers and a credit to all players.

'Old ideas' maintain their value
through time, when applied in
differing ways. The linear con-
cept is still very 'new' and talk
about room for application!

What Revan has offered can
and should be applied with
every idea, including the rud-
imentary applications.

[quitou]

I also agree with Revan....there's no sense in rushing through a book....you won't absorb any material....I have found that I have to work through a book really slowly and take my time to make sure I really learn all of the concepts....and some books will take a liftime to master....I think Extreme Interdependence by Minnemann and Gratton is like that....it'll take a very long time to have everything in that book completely mastered. Take your time....there's no rush....and it's not contest!!!!