Giant Step "Middle Pedal"

[Markdude465]

Why doesn't every pedal brand make something like this? (http://www.pro-music-news.com/html/05/20507son.jpg) And why the hell is it so expensive?

(Oh, and do you suppose you could use the middle aparatus and connect it to, say, two elims?)

[DerNeue]

I think the concept of the middle pedal is the most logical I have ever seen.

You are able to place the bassdrum in front of you. That way your setup becomes more effective.

There is no difference between the main pedal and the slave unit.

The factories won't have to build a leftie-version. It is for right AND left-footed people.

I think there is one low price brand that also builds middle pedals for around 200 bucks. But I do not now which.

The reason that make the sonor pedals so expensive is that the giant steps are still produced here in Germany. We have very high costs for manual work. Not only because our workers earn more but mainly because of the high taxation through our wellfare state. That is what creates such big unemployment here. Only few factories are still able to AFFORD many employees. That is so sad. And to few politicians are able to see that!

[peter]

DN,

You sound like a thoughtful person and
interested in what makes the world the
way it actually is.

Thanks.

[DerNeue]

Thank you peter. I am interested in politics. You know in our country there is a big problem with unemployment. Under my impression many reasons could be changed by the government. But they do not do that.
In my opinion a state should give the economy certain rules so that it can act fairly but here the economy has not enough room to move.
In the US it seems sometimes vice versa. It is so much more paying attention to a liberal economy. Over a certain degree this can be also bad.
There is a path that lies between this extremes. Why it is so hard to see that for the people in our world?

[C.J.]

Yeah... And if you've heard about the French situation... Pfiouwee! Unemployment is also a big issue over here. We're one of the worst in Europe. Our last pri-minister Jean-Pierre Rafarin did so bad, things actually got worse.
Now we've changed since the faillure of the Europeen referendum, our new minister, Dominiqe de Villepin, says that in 100 days, he will show changes...

France in going down I tell ya.

[DerNeue]

Did you hear what Denmark did? They cut back wellfare a bit and from the tax relief the economy was able to prosper. In addition to that they gave the economy more liberties so that it would be able to regulate it's own.
Now they have really low unemployment because it is easy to get new workers in a few days.
I am kind of worried about France having voted against the European constitution. Now we have to find out why that decision has been made.

[C.J.]

You want to know why France voted no?

If that is the question, it's because on one hand, the franch are mad against their political leaders. And some people confused voting for Europe, and voting against the gouvernment.

On another hand, a lot of the french are affraid of this treatee. Especially workers, the "lowers class" population, because they thought it was too liberal.

Finnally, this constitution is a very complicated text, and the gouverment DID NOT do a good job on explaining it. Instead of doing so, on the talk shows which wrer organized so that we could understant the text, it was more like a big fight whether one or another polititian was for or against the text. Everybody recieved the text at home, but when most people read it, they hade no idea what they were reading.

It's a big shame, the more things go, the more this European project seems f***ed-up.

[Markdude465]

Isn't that the sort of thing that leads to outsourcing?

[Markdude465]

Oh, and DerNeue, I'm curious as to that other low-end middle pedal you're talking about, so if you find out, please let me know. I can't seem to find anything other than the giant step.

[DerNeue]

I would really give you the link. I read it on a German drummerforum but the link was from ebay and also about 5 months old. So that link is dead now. I can not remember what the brand was.
I am sorry. I will let you know when I should remember it!

[Markdude465]

*resurects*

http://www.pointtremolo.com/
http://www.pointtremolo.com/off-set_basspedal.pdf

"Features:

- Massive free-standing pedestal design allowing for 3/4" more downward travel of the pedal
- 12 1/2" long x 3 1/2" wide foot pedal - largest in the industry - for either heel-down or toe-down techniques
- fully adjustable concentric double chain drive
- Quad drive springs for increased response and sensitivity
- 1/2" U-joints and dust covers
- Spring-loaded anti-skid spurs and anti-skid pads on both pedal base and center beater housing
- Completely independently adjustable beater holders with 1" lateral adjustment each
- Hard-soft mallets with mallet shaft keys
- Center-mounting hoop clamp which eliminates all lateral torque on the bass drum hoop
- Bi-laterally symmetrical design creating a unit where both pedals FEEL IDENTICAL
- Extremely ergonomic drum-centering design

814.672.5780 - FAX 672.5671"

300 bucks. I WANT ONE!

And check out what this dude on drummerworld.com did with it:
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=420

Awesome.

[peter]

The reason that make the sonor pedals so expensive is that the giant steps are still produced here in Germany. We have very high costs for manual work. Not only because our workers earn more but mainly because of the high taxation through our wellfare state. That is what creates such big unemployment here. Only few factories are still able to AFFORD many employees. That is so sad. And to few politicians are able to see that!

The day will come when Germany and Europe
realizes that the only way to really compete is
to export their labor, as hard as that sounds.

[DerNeue]

I can not completely agree with that. I does not have to be like this if many politicians changed their mind. But that will not really happen because many people find many jobs to bad for them. There is no reason to take any job because the wellfare state cares. On the other hand the taxation will rise higher and higher because the working people having to support the non working people. The other problem is that also in other countries the job costs rise as with the higher standart that goes along with more jobs from other contries.

So we have to pay close attention to high quality work and a good customers service!

[Matthias]

Isnt' anything supposed to change under Angela Merkel in Germany now? I think many now realize what they hadn't before.

If I used a middle-pedal, I think I'd be afraid to lose the ability to play on a normal single pedalled kit in a way, if that makes any sense.

[The_Setite]

*resurects*

http://www.pointtremolo.com/
http://www.pointtremolo.com/off-set_basspedal.pdf

"Features:

- Massive free-standing pedestal design allowing for 3/4" more downward travel of the pedal
- 12 1/2" long x 3 1/2" wide foot pedal - largest in the industry - for either heel-down or toe-down techniques
- fully adjustable concentric double chain drive
- Quad drive springs for increased response and sensitivity
- 1/2" U-joints and dust covers
- Spring-loaded anti-skid spurs and anti-skid pads on both pedal base and center beater housing
- Completely independently adjustable beater holders with 1" lateral adjustment each
- Hard-soft mallets with mallet shaft keys
- Center-mounting hoop clamp which eliminates all lateral torque on the bass drum hoop
- Bi-laterally symmetrical design creating a unit where both pedals FEEL IDENTICAL
- Extremely ergonomic drum-centering design

814.672.5780 - FAX 672.5671"

300 bucks. I WANT ONE!

And check out what this dude on drummerworld.com did with it:
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=420

Awesome.


I bought one. Cant recommend it highly enough.

[TimeConsumer]

Now this is interesting.. (since I just broke my double pedal).
Setite or Markdude, could any of you give me some more information about the costs and how to contact those people? I just went to the site, but it seems it's only focused on the guitarstuff and not on the drum.
If possible, I'd like to know from you guys exactly how much it costs.
How did you contact them when you purchased the pedal?
oh, and Setite, perhaps you can post a pic of your kit when you attach the pedal to it?Just to see how your set-up looks like now with that pedal.
thanks

[Markdude465]

I bought one. Cant recommend it highly enough.

What an odd sentence. Just to clarify... are you saying you like it?

Setite or Markdude, could any of you give me some more information about the costs and how to contact those people? I just went to the site, but it seems it's only focused on the guitarstuff and not on the drum.
If possible, I'd like to know from you guys exactly how much it costs.
How did you contact them when you purchased the pedal?

Dude, I gave ya two links... no excuse. :p Here it is... (http://www.pointtremolo.com/off-set_basspedal.pdf)

I'm not sure *exactly* how much it costs, but it's ten or twenty bucks shy of 300 US dollars - I bet it varies, as the prices of such products usually do. ;)

And The Setite, I'd also like to see what you've done with it - is it anything like this guy's kit? (http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=420)

[bateria]

It eliminates the difference between main/slave pedals, sure, but at the cost of making them both lagging slave pedals. The cause of the original problem becomes the new (lower) standard for uniformity.

[The_Setite]

[QUOTE=Markdude465]What an odd sentence. Just to clarify... are you saying you like it?





Dude, I gave ya two links... no excuse. :p Here it is... (http://www.pointtremolo.com/off-set_basspedal.pdf)

I'm not sure *exactly* how much it costs, but it's ten or twenty bucks shy of 300 US dollars - I bet it varies, as the prices of such products usually do. ;)

And The Setite, I'd also like to see what you've done with it - is it anything like this guy's kit? (http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=420)[/QUO


Erm, yes. Its a great invention.

[slopsbop]

question for The Setite concerning middle pedal


is the middle pedal adjustable like most name brand pedals (dw, pearl etc)
what can you and cant you adjust on the middle pedal from pointtremolo

also can you connect this middle pedal to another brand pedals and just use the connecting rods and middle plate. I hope you all understand. Im not sure if i do lol

[Markdude465]

It eliminates the difference between main/slave pedals, sure, but at the cost of making them both lagging slave pedals. The cause of the original problem becomes the new (lower) standard for uniformity.

Well, alright, but no matter what you do, there are going to be disadvantages. The conventional double pedal isn't symmetrical. Two kicks means... well, two big honkin' drums to lug around, and two heads to tune and/or muffle. This pedal just offers a different set of advantages and disadvantages. It all depends on what you want to do.

(Also, I think the lag in both pedals would be significantly less than that of a conventional slave pedal, as the linkages don't need to be extended as far. Plus, the angle of the feet is spread across four joints, as opposed to two, meaning less overall friction. And you can have your bassdrum further out. And you can have a hi-hat pedal on your right closer to your right bass pedal. So... yeah. Superior, in my opinion.)

... can you connect this middle pedal to another brand pedals and just use the connecting rods and middle plate. I hope you all understand. Im not sure if i do lol

...Now that's a good idea. Just connect lefty and righty slave pedals of your preferred brand to the linkage aparatus, and enjoy middle-pedal goodness with the feel you're already used to. (But symmetrical.)