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toteman2
01-26-2005, 07:58 PM
I've been trying to use french rolls around the set...I'm able to use them pretty fast and clean between the high hat, and both snare drums on the set, but once i get to the toms, my technique just dies...I can't seem to get 3 clean beats on the toms with my left or right hand...
I've yet to see a drummer use the frech rolls around the set, but I'm sure I'm just ignorant...It sounds really really cool when i use the HH + SNARE/s and mix in some fast base...Any suggestions to get me throwing them all over the toms?

I'm sure i can just practice triples on the toms over and over again, but i was wondering if there is any quality excersise for this problem I'm having...

cjcdrums
01-26-2005, 08:17 PM
I think unless your Marco Minnemann, it's GONNA be f-'in hard to play those sonuva*****es around the kit. I would say practice finger control on something with ZERO rebound, like a pillow, to strengthen your fingers to the point where you could do something like that. I can't say I've done it myself, though. Mangini also does something similar, but I don't know if he's using the finger-control method or not.

Trencherman
01-27-2005, 02:26 PM
I haven't heard of the term "french roll" before. Is R R R L L L etc what you mean? T

(K)now(F)orever
01-27-2005, 04:04 PM
but once i get to the toms, my technique just dies...
Most likely because the toms don't have as much tension or rebound the snare has, so you really have to use your fingers.

toteman2
01-28-2005, 12:28 AM
I haven't heard of the term "french roll" before. Is R R R L L L etc what you mean? T

yes very fast....

IronCobraMan
01-28-2005, 12:40 AM
how bout a cinnamon roll ?

drummaman1
01-28-2005, 09:22 AM
Kaiser Roll?

mmm....is it lunch yet?

IronCobraMan
01-29-2005, 02:06 AM
how bout a barrel roll?

IronCobraMan
01-29-2005, 02:07 AM
or a roll model?

IronCobraMan
01-29-2005, 02:08 AM
man...im on a ...ROLL

C.J.
01-29-2005, 04:04 AM
euh... Or a Roll ercoaster ?

cjcdrums
01-29-2005, 09:35 AM
Rolls of fat?

IronCobraMan
01-30-2005, 02:13 AM
imperial roll

IronCobraMan
01-30-2005, 02:14 AM
spring roll

IronCobraMan
01-30-2005, 02:16 AM
oh check this one out... rock n ROLL ...ohhhhhhhhhhhh

dcdrmwthme
01-30-2005, 03:40 PM
The Moeller Stroke would help an awful lot with this...

drummaman1
01-31-2005, 09:45 AM
what about the Billy Squier 'Stroke'?????

IronCobraMan
02-02-2005, 01:33 AM
how bout the shut the hell up roll :) ever heard of that one

PolyOstinato
02-02-2005, 01:45 AM
I think he means French grip to play a single stroke roll but I may be mistaken. Mangini wrists his rolls. No fingers at all. I've taken lessons with him and seen him do it many times up close.

IronCobraMan
02-07-2005, 03:08 AM
well arent u special

ive taken lessons with jesus himself...forget drums..i can walk on water asshole

drummaman1
02-07-2005, 08:28 AM
whoa ICM...WWJT? what would Jesus teach?

I was on his 'water into wine' lesson last I talked with him...

make sure you do NOT use wrist in 'French' position. Your wrist does not move that way.
you'll be in the hospital faster than you can play 1200 single strokes in a minute.

vdreignsuponus1
02-07-2005, 09:16 AM
there's two cyber lessons here on the moeller technique with famularo and chapin!

http://www.vicfirth.com/education/drumset/domfamularo.html

hope this helps..

Trencherman
02-07-2005, 01:17 PM
how bout the shut the hell up roll :) ever heard of that one

Spoken like a true drummer. :rolleyes: You say you're totally amazing when it comes to drums, but most of your comments show us that you're not really a drummer at all...or at least not a very good one. T

vdreignsuponus1
02-07-2005, 04:57 PM
uh oh, i feel flaming coming..GR!

peace pls!:(

IronCobraMan
02-08-2005, 01:21 AM
ah the hate...its wonderful isnt it.... i wont even start tho.... alls i can say is... get a sense of humor ....

Trencherman
02-08-2005, 04:41 AM
Tis cool -- I'm all for peace. T

vdreignsuponus1
02-08-2005, 10:40 AM
wonderful!

dave wilkinson
02-08-2005, 06:00 PM
The book that helped me great with this was, Dom famularos - its your move, helped great explaining this, he explains the pumping motion, he calls it an application of the moeller stroke, playing triplets with one hand, using the whipping motion with your wrist and controlling the bounces after it, Or If you want to see jim chapin doing this, check this link out here
http://www.vicfirth.com/education/drumset/domfamularo.html
check out jim chapins lessons there, shows you the motion, and itl help you well if practiced correctly
thought id edit this post as i didnt see somebody posted a link above, im sorry about that l, happy drumming

Trencherman
02-10-2005, 02:14 AM
I was taught to play RRR or LLL with the moeller stroke (accenting the first or last note) but for french rolls this'd be useless. The fingers can move so much faster than the wrist, and if you isolate the movement of the fingers you'll be able to achieve incredible speed without tensing your arms at all. The moeller technique only works with accents, which is where the wrist snap has its place. If you're trying to play three even sounding notes at high speed, you have to use your fingers.

I used to think that the moeller technique was the only way forward, but that was before I discovered players like Thomas Lang and Marco Minneman.