My 2004 Drum-Off Store Finals Video

[nevesis]

There is the old saying that says, You win some... You lose some...

I have experienced both those feelings many times in my life and last night was the worse of the two options.

It goes something like this.

Two weeks ago at the in store preliminary, another great drummer and I both won the night. I was the winner with 123 points, and he was the runner up with 100 points.

At the store finals on tuesday night, I went 3rd and played my best. I gave it everything I had and felt I did well, not a perfect performance but in my opinion the best I could have done regarding the circumstances. Then the guy who won the night with me went up and did his thing. He is a great drummer and I did not feel to threatened by his performance. I was confident, but not cocky, and just felt I played better.

So comes the announcement of the winner for the in store, and his name was called not mine. I never do expect to win any contest, but judging from his actual performance and the audience response that I had compairng to his, myself and many many people in the audience felt I should have won it based on pure playing skill, style, and technique, etc.

His score for the store finals:

136

My score:

134.

It was very close in points, but in my opinion very far from fair in the pure sense of who performed and played better. Not to take anything away from him because he is a great drummer, we exchanged numbers to jam soon, and a very nice humble dude like myself, but it just proves that in the Drum-Off spectrum, other things come into consideration then just pure drumming sometimes.

Although it was not the ideal turn out for me last night, alot of positive things came out of this. I met alot of great drummers and met with old friends who I see annually at this thing, and most of all I gained alot of new knowledge regarding my drumming, stage presense, etc. Summed up, it was a positive experience even through it was not an ideal outcome!

I present to all you drumming guys and gals here on the forum my video from the store finals this year. I hope you all like it, and continue drumming through the bad and good times you experience in life!

Download here:

http://www.epiarchdrums.com/evan/


Enjoy!

[visit0r]

I'm downloading right now. I'll comment when it's done :)

I'm from a small city that harbors very little talent, but now I found out that I'm going up against a guy that used to live here and he moved to a big college and is the big jazz-drummer guy there. He has recorded with some grammy award winners and all kinds of stuff... it's going to be a battle to the death lol. He's a few years older than I am and he used to be the "lengendary" drummer from our area. I haven't seen him in a few years, but I guess it's a small world afterall lol. Now it's my chance to either prove to everyone that I can stand up to him, or I can get trampled by him. I'm not going down withot a fight... it's a friendly kind of competition though ;) I posted part of my vid in another thread. I try not to have too much pride, but I don't want to come home to my city with my tail between my legs because of him. Anyone but him lol.

[visit0r]

Nice vid man :D

Is there any kind of trick to spinning your sticks? I've never learned how :\

[nevesis]

There is no trick because the way I am doing it its the easiest trick in the book dude. :)

[D.W.A.]

best vid yet man........i know youll hate hearing this.........but .........there was a lot more grooving there man......diggin it. :D

[D.W.A.]

ohh........youve got the doubles flowing tight too....fucker.......lol.i need to find more room in my playing for those.

[nevesis]

best vid yet man........i know youll hate hearing this.........but .........there was a lot more grooving there man......diggin it. :D


I don't hate hearing that at all dude. I know I can groove, and when I am playing with a band its even fuckin better! Thanks for the comments though. I am glad you liked :)

[drummaman1]

hello,

Sorry that you didn't advance...but I'm glad to see that you see that this contest is NOT the end of the world. Selecting the best drummer is a strictly subjective term, one mans Travis Barker is another man's Neil Peart. The store finals here were quite the show..everybody brought thier A game, and even though I ended up advancing, it was a close race. The way I see it, there are always going to be faster, louder, flashier drummers around the corner than me, so I have to find a way to make a lasting statement. Easier said than done, for sure.

Keep at it, man. You're a great player. I am looking forward to see you play when I visit NYC sometime.

Thanks,
Chris :)

[jagdkommando]

I saw all your videos you posted ... man you are so unfuckinbelievable fast!
And I've to say that this was the best video I saw from you ... and (!) the most
melodical one!

Keep on the good work!

P.S. it's the first time I saw you having a smile in your face :)

[nevesis]

Thanks jagdkommando, I am glad you finally enjoyed. :)

[alencore]

now get some real mileage for good with your band.

[firstbat71]

I was there man. The other kid blew you away by far he was much better.

[IronCobraMan]

yo nevesis..... i like that lil pattern u do in the middle of ur solo....where u switch from high hat to snare with both hands , wheres the constant doubles on the snare but only singles on the hat..... i cant figure out wat ur doin tho...cuz the vid is way to choppy....so it would be cool if u could lay out the rudis for that lick(if thats cool with u).... sounds mean....jus like the rest of the performance :P

keep it real son... and keep playin

[nevesis]

I was there man. The other kid blew you away by far he was much better.

Piece of shit liar.

[nevesis]

yo nevesis..... i like that lil pattern u do in the middle of ur solo....where u switch from high hat to snare with both hands , wheres the constant doubles on the snare but only singles on the hat..... i cant figure out wat ur doin tho...cuz the vid is way to choppy....so it would be cool if u could lay out the rudis for that lick(if thats cool with u).... sounds mean....jus like the rest of the performance :P

keep it real son... and keep playin

If the video is choppy get the latest version of quicktime.

Its just a paradiddle between the left and right hands and alternating the downbeat between each hand.

[IronCobraMan]

lol this dude jus sent me an email asking me to teach him double bass basics.... i dont see why i wouldnt.... but none the less...a hater


oh yea? fuk i could never tell that from the vid.... fuk my shitty computer up its shitty computer ass..... on my computer ur vid looks like an old charlie chaplin skit... but thanks anyways :P

[alencore]

it only means his pc ain't fast enough to decode and render the video bec. of whatever codecs or video compression you used. it's not your fault. convert that vid to vcd format it will run faster but file might go up.

[IronCobraMan]

hey give a round of applause to bill nye the science guy........... thanks for the tip ya bastard..... but tell it to someone who gives a shit

[firstbat71]

Piece of shit liar.


I was only kidding. Man this nevesis dude is a dickhead. I used to think you were ok drummer til now. You have NO ENDURANCE spaghetti arms. Why dont you go lift some weights to build some stamina. BIG (_0_).

[nevesis]

Haha no endurance.

Hillarious. Did you watch the same video I did?

[D.W.A.]

its like being in highschool again.......lol......hilarious

[firstbat71]

Haha no endurance.

Hillarious. Did you watch the same video I did?

You got owned kid, Face it. Why cry about it in an internet forum. SORE LOSER

[nevesis]

You got owned kid, Face it. Why cry about it in an internet forum. SORE LOSER

Owned by you? Hardly. Your just a young kid with a small penis who can't understand why he hasin't gotten laid yet.

It will happen one day. Try getting out of the house and interacting with the opposite sex, you might get lucky!

[C.J.]

... No comment...

[D.W.A.]

you two..to the principles office

[D.W.A.]

id like to hear the other guy though.seriously....just for the hell of it......is firstbat him? if so.....put up a vid man.......i would like to see maybe the judges point of view.

[visit0r]

*Mortal Kombat voice* FINISH HIM!

I don't know why that popped into my head....

[quebec drummer]

[B]hi guys, it is the first time i joint you dudes, sorry my english i am french montreal quebecer,NEVESIS have watch your vids and i can tell you, you kick ass man its been 22 years i play drum i got my first drum at 16teen i played in couple bands but nothing serious i wish i could go back in time anyway don`t loose the grip you rock man

[firstbat71]

Owned by you? Hardly. Your just a young kid with a small penis who can't understand why he hasin't gotten laid yet.

It will happen one day. Try getting out of the house and interacting with the opposite sex, you might get lucky!


I didnt say owned by ME you ignorant fool. That other guy kicked your ass straight up, and now here you are crying about it in a forum... HOW PATHETIC. How do you know I am a young kid, and why do you think about my penis size or if I have yet to get laid?

The correct spelling is HASN'T, not HASIN'T you inbred hickerbilly.

You look so gay playing the drums it makes me want to rip you from the kit and body slam your skinny ass.

Maybe you would have won the competition if you would have practiced a little more instead of thinking about young kids with a small penis you pedophile.

HAH you lost you looooooooooser and you damn well deserved it. That other guy had 10x the groove you will ever have. Your shit is boring and by the book. Drummers like you are a dime a dozen.

[nevesis]

Haha your just too funny dude. Poor little kid.

[hi1000]

hmm comment on your drumming

you got great speed! in fact your first solo inspired me to play a lot?!

personally i felt you are an excellent player, but i think you have many many repetitions of the groove? it is cool though but i felt you could have moved more into other genres because this one is basically rock, unless you can suddenly cut in a killer groove.

also i felt maybe there should be more space for improvisation, not just the last part of thrashing it out. there were similar fill ins and stuff like that. was hoping from the groove you could suddenly break off into a set only solo from the groove..... :)

however these are PERSONAL comments... don't take em too hard:)

but still it is your style. great playing! haha..... i wonder how long will it be to get your kind of technicality? :)

[firstbat71]

Haha your just too funny dude. Poor little kid.

It would be funny to idiots like you. Simple pleasures for a simple mind.

You just can't stop thinking about little kids can you. hahahah loser!

The correct spelling is you're, not YOUR.

Dumb skinny kid.

YOU SUCK!

[PHILadiddle]

didn't read the whole thread so maybe this was asked but, could you post the vid of the winner? it would be cool to see.

[alencore]

lol! am i at the counter-strike forum where kids flame each other to death about their maps and one shot one kill headshots?

[Loreman]

Actually I must confess, this nevesis guy, I have seen all the vids he posts on here and nothing has really impressed me. It may impress some people who have not taken the time to practice and improve their technique but for someone who has seen the best here in australia, and someone who has devoted their whole life to drumming, I find your solo's boring, and making little sense. You have very little concept of groove and interesting tonality, are your chops are just plain lazy, practice more man, mouth off less.

[D.W.A.]

YOU GONNA TAKE THAT!?..........ya beter hope he doesnt meet you on the street ....right?......lmao

[jsuplicki]

For someone who idolizes Virgils playing(as many here do), try now working on having his attitude. I'm quite sure many people have and still do bash Virgil, over the internet, to his face, etc. I see Virgil taking a different approach than commenting on penis size, responding almoast irrational and way too offensive to peoples criticizms. There will always be those people out there that think you suck, thats their opinion and or jealousy. To then begin putting them down as a person by childish comments because they don't care for your drumming is in my opinion, not the way to go. You can be the best drummer on the planet, but if you come across with an unhealthy ego like your shit don't stink, it will come back to haunt you. I have had the opportunity to play with many great musicians in my area and due to their ego, their better than you personality, I among other musicians, stopped playing with them. Some have the reputation where noone wants to play with them due to their attitudes and they now do nothing musically. Believe it or not, I've seen musicians get gigs who technically were inferior to the competition, but because the better of the musicians was an asshole(not saying you're an asshole, just making an example) they lost the gig. You've go great skills and you know that, just try and remember people can hide behind a keyboard and say whatever they want, positive, negative or indifferent, that is the age we now live in. It's how you react and what you do with it as a person that can either make you grow as a musician/person, or it can wreak havok and leave you playing in your garage by yourself. Give respect, accept criticizm, take things with a grain of salt, and you will go far and be respected as not only a musician, but also a person.

My 2 cents.

[nevesis]

Great post dude. Thank you I appreciate the comments! :)

[SunDemon18]

anyone who hates on nevesis is a fuckin loser.... the dude can play the shit out of the drums and maybe you all can too, but where are your videos eh? so dont talk shit unless you have something posted to be talked shit about.

[D. Slam]

"just try and remember people can hide behind a keyboard and say whatever they want, positive, negative or indifferent, that is the age we now live in. It's how you react and what you do with it as a person that can either make you grow as a musician/person, or it can wreak havok and leave you playing in your garage by yourself. Give respect, accept criticizm, take things with a grain of salt, and you will go far and be respected as not only a musician, but also a person."

Evan, You and I have become fast friends, so I know I can ask you this... But haven't I said this to you more than once already??? I'm glad you were able to read it from someone else.

Very mature, wise and sound advice jsuplicki!!!

Don.

[D.W.A.]

anyone who hates on nevesis is a fuckin loser.... the dude can play the shit out of the drums and maybe you all can too, but where are your videos eh? so dont talk shit unless you have something posted to be talked shit about.
i dont think they were hating on his ''playing''......

[Matthias]

Two weeks ago at the in store preliminary, another great drummer and I both won the night.
Not to take anything away from him because he is a great drummer, we exchanged numbers to jam soon, and a very nice humble dude like myself, but it just proves that in the Drum-Off spectrum, other things come into consideration then just pure drumming sometimes.


Well, great posts jsuplicki and sundemon18, and nothing against you nevesis, really! but a little thing I'd like to add: you write "a very nice humble dude like myself", but honestly it's not the most humble thing to call oneself humble straight ahead, and I think your other words are cool, fair enough, but not reeeaally humble... Sorry to be a little offensive, but it's my opinion

[Johnny]

It's how you react and what you do with it as a person that can either make you grow as a musician/person, or it can wreak havok and leave you playing in your garage by yourself. Give respect, accept criticizm, take things with a grain of salt, and you will go far and be respected as not only a musician, but also a person.

My 2 cents.

This entire thread was worth it just to get this out there.

Many, many drummers of lesser talent get the big touring gigs because no one wants to be around a jackass, especially in a bus.

Being a good drummer begins with being a good man or woman.

[firstbat71]

This entire thread was worth it just to get this out there.

Many, many drummers of lesser talent get the big touring gigs because no one wants to be around a jackass, especially in a bus.

Being a good drummer begins with being a good man or woman.


Yeah nevesis, maybe you should work on being a better woman. HAHA Loser you lost.

[Drumblast]

Music=Life. You must keep your life in balance in order to attain true enlightenment. When your life is in balance, then, and only then, can you truly create music that will inspire yourself and everyone around you.

[bloagdge]

Anyone who mocks this guy is a hater, he might be a little defensive - but he is tote'n some hefty chops if you ask me. I think if he got involved with the right musicians he could really take off. His only slight minus is, some of his techniques seem a little emulated. IE, he played that rosana groove exactly like Dennis Chambers and even threw in a little Chambers fill. Yeah that is impresive, but dont you feel compelled to add your own little touch to it, or come up with your own techniques?

[alencore]

Music=Life. You must keep your life in balance in order to attain true enlightenment. When your life is in balance, then, and only then, can you truly create music that will inspire yourself and everyone around you.
wow! that's simply beautiful man.
will drink to that!

[visit0r]

I don't know about that... there are some musicians that were headed down the drain and were drugged out almost to the point where they were dead, and they made some of the best music ever.

I'm not saying that it's a good thing, but sometimes having an unbalanced life can fuel good music :P

[Drumblast]

I don't know about that... there are some musicians that were headed down the drain and were drugged out almost to the point where they were dead, and they made some of the best music ever.

I'm not saying that it's a good thing, but sometimes having an unbalanced life can fuel good music :P

Yes, and most of them are Dead or insane. Parker, Coltrane, Cobain, Hendrix, Jaco, and that guitar player we all know from our hometowns who is unbelievable, but cannot play with others cause he's fried and whacked.
:D

I see what you are saying, Some people exist entirely in a musical world and do incredible things musically. But there is something that is missing.

[Drumblast]

Anyone who mocks this guy is a hater, he might be a little defensive - but he is tote'n some hefty chops if you ask me. I think if he got involved with the right musicians he could really take off. His only slight minus is, some of his techniques seem a little emulated. IE, he played that rosana groove exactly like Dennis Chambers and even threw in a little Chambers fill. Yeah that is impresive, but dont you feel compelled to add your own little touch to it, or come up with your own techniques?

There are tons of players with insane chops. And a less who can do it and make it musical. And even fewer who can create an identifiable sound all their own.

[alencore]

again straight to the maximum point!

[the scottster]

Ahh nevesis nevesis nevisis i thought from our big fight you would have learned by now. Cmon man seriously man, telling some one they are small in the pants coz they liked another drummer better. When will you learn please for you own sake. I think you should make a fresh start. The truth is nevises your'e not really that good. Yes u are good but your not that good. Why wont you accept there are players that are better than you, shrink your head back down to size and move on ok. How old you now 24 or something cmon lets be a litle more mature here.

[Espen]

-- :eek: --

[IronCobraMan]

sorry to break it to u...but i dont think nevesis comes on here anymore :P .... and man drumblast... just shut up.... any comment u post just fills me with a feeling of "im gonna throw up"... i hate that guy..

[bootdogs]

I wish this thread just died.

[Drumblast]

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[IronCobraMan]

ur so putting that out of context.... have u read all the other messages ive posted... where i explain that speed is just a tool to make other things easier....but no.... dont bother posting that.... make me look like an idiot....

someone asked me adive on advancing their speed and endurance...and i helped em... wat can i say , im a good samaritan

[Drumblast]

Okay, that was not right of me to do that. I apologize. Sorry IC. But, when someone says they hate me, well, you know. I wish you the best holidays.

[IronCobraMan]

some people win their enemies over with kindness , some rather tell them to go **** themselves....


of course...happy holidays

[D.W.A.]

evan is damn good..................THE END

[nevesis]

I am still around, but this thread died a few months ago. Happy Holidays to everyone and to let everyone know, I have alot of good **** coming in 2005. Get ready :)

[the scottster]

I doubt that very much coz u suck balls. :p

[Hexit]

Two weeks ago at the in store preliminary, *another great drummer and I both won the night. I was the winner with 123 points, and he was the runner up with 100 points.

At the store finals on tuesday night, I went 3rd and played my best. I gave it everything I had and felt I did well, not a perfect performance but in my opinion the best I could have done regarding the circumstances. Then the guy who won the night with me went up and did his thing. **He is a great drummer and I did not feel to threatened by his performance. I was confident, but not cocky, and just felt I played better.

So comes the announcement of the winner for the in store, and his name was called not mine. I never do expect to win any contest, but judging from his actual performance and the ***audience response that I had compairng to his, myself and many many people in the audience felt I should have won it based on pure playing skill, style, and technique, etc.

His score for the store finals:

136

My score:

134.

It was very close in points, but in my opinion ****very far from fair in the pure sense of who performed and played better. Not to take anything away from him because he is a great drummer, we exchanged numbers to jam soon, *****and a very nice humble dude like myself, but it just proves that in the Drum-Off spectrum, other things come into consideration then just pure drumming sometimes.

Although it was not the ideal turn out for me last night, alot of positive things came out of this. I met alot of great drummers and met with old friends who I see annually at this thing, and most of all I gained alot of new knowledge regarding my drumming, stage presense, etc. Summed up, it was a positive experience even through it was not an ideal outcome!

I present to all you drumming guys and gals here on the forum my video from the store finals this year. I hope you all like it, and continue drumming through the bad and good times you experience in life!

Download here:

http://www.epiarchdrums.com/evan/


Enjoy!


First off you are a pretty good drummer (note that I have higlighted pretty good) but you are also an arrogant piece of ****. Observe (notice that the asterixis correspond to the ones in the now edited quote):

*What is this??? Saying 'another great drummer', implies that you consider yourself great; first of all, you are not great (people who doubt me, will find, as I have, that the more you watch this video the more it becomes apparent that nevesis has little feel in his playing and it isn't very steady). Secondly, confidence can be a good thing, by all means, but only in small proportions-anyone who considers themselves 'great' is an egotistical wanker.

** This is becoming hilarious, your joking right? You claim he is a great player and then say that you were confident, but not cocky and you stated that you felt you played better. Ironic isn't it? You arrogance is at the extreme point of actual hilarity...

***What makes me think this is statement has been exaggerated...

**** 'Very far' you say? I thought you were both 'great' drummers?

***** Haha!! I don't even need to explain this...


How old are you? Something in the late 20's aren't you? You have just winged like a little 2 year old, about 'wa wa wahh waaaa, I'm a baby and can't take it that I didn't win when I was SOOOO much better than the other 'great' drummer'. Wouldn't this imply that you think you are beyond great? Oh yeh, and on your site where is says 'professional drummer', I would reconsider changing the title, you are nothing but an arrogant wannabe Dennis Chambers (actually I wouldn't be suprised if you though you were better than Dennis), who strives to get as many suck-up comments as possible. If I was your girlfriend/boyfriend/wife (assuming you have one) I would dump you in a split. Oh yeh, and you accused that guy of having a small ****, when it is almost always the arrogant people (like yourself) who need to parade about prenteding they are the kings of the worlds, for alas, they have to cover for the fact that they have the smallest ****s of all.


P.S The last couple of paragraphs stating that you 'learnt from this experience, etc. etc. etc.' were obviously put there to yet again make it out to the people on this forum that you are some kind of noble man who is gracious in defeat. Once agin you fail...


I bid you farewell to go parade around your fellow friends, nose to the sky, chest puffed out. :)

[IronCobraMan]

well ... ive never been one to agree with arguing...but ive had some ruff encounters with the nevman lately....

but listen Nev....dont even answer back....lets not start more **** on this board....its like taking a piss in a church confessional..... its unfair to virg....so Nev i beg of u to jus suck it up...and not even answer back at this childish assault.

[Hexit]

yeh Ironcobraman, I don't want him to argue but just take it in. It is the truth wether he likes it or not.

[nevesis]

well ... ive never been one to agree with arguing...but ive had some ruff encounters with the nevman lately....

but listen Nev....dont even answer back....lets not start more **** on this board....its like taking a piss in a church confessional..... its unfair to virg....so Nev i beg of u to jus suck it up...and not even answer back at this childish assault.

This n00b can type anything he wants it does not faze me. He is bumping a thread that is almost a year old now, and its been beaten to death.

Its always easy for people like him to run their mouth when they have nothing to back their own credibility up.

He was not there, and he knows nothing.

[Hexit]

This n00b can type anything he wants it does not faze me. He is bumping a thread that is almost a year old now, and its been beaten to death.

Its always easy for people like him to run their mouth when they have nothing to back their own credibility up.

He was not there, and he knows nothing.

Internet words such as NOOB have no effect on me whatsoever. I don't need anything to 'back my credibilty' up, there's enough evidence as it stands. I'm just sorry to hear that after what I've said, you still haven't, as you say, been 'fazed' by it. Its your sad, sorry life mate....

[IronCobraMan]

ok weve all spoken our peace.... now lets let the virgil spirit of calmness reign upon us .... oooooommmmmmmmmmmmmm ooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Hexit]

ok weve all spoken our peace.... now lets let the virgil spirit of calmness reign upon us .... oooooommmmmmmmmmmmmm ooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Yeh, sorry mate I just had to get that out of me, the forums all yours...

[nevesis]

Internet words such as NOOB have no effect on me whatsoever.

It was not meant to have an effect on you. It was calling you out on what you are to this forum. Troll, would actually be more appropriate.

I don't need anything to 'back my credibilty' up, there's enough evidence as it stands.

Really? Where? You have three posts here and they have all been flames directed toward me. Would you like to put forth some evidence of work you have done? Audio or video? I won't hold my breath.

Its your sad, sorry life mate....

Actually my life is just great right now, its your life which must be pretty sad to feel the need to bump a thread almost a year old to get something "off your chest" Taking the internet a little too seriously? Feel threatened by my posts?

Its time to get out of the house more 'mate'.

[IronCobraMan]

lol.......

[Hexit]

It was not meant to have an effect on you. It was calling you out on what you are to this forum. Troll, would actually be more appropriate.



Really? Where? You have three posts here and they have all been flames directed toward me. Would you like to put forth some evidence of work you have done? Audio or video? I won't hold my breath.



Actually my life is just great right now, its your life which must be pretty sad to feel the need to bump a thread almost a year old to get something "off your chest" Taking the internet a little too seriously? Feel threatened by my posts?

Its time to get out of the house more 'mate'.


haha, internet hilarity, oh how I love it.

[IronCobraMan]

k well im gonna go to bed and dream about doing blast beats while doing 3 chicks at the same time....and trust me...in my imagination....its possible.....i hope this argument will end by the time i get up.... peace dogs

[Sammy]

Nevesis, I think you could benefit more from your experiences if you always thought the exact opposite of yourself as you do right now. It doesn't matter how talented or skilled you are, it is basically all tied to your attitude and how hard you work, everyone WILL realize that someday, and while yes, many people do simply seem to get lucky, they will fall from their perch, trust me. If you feel you SHOULD have won a contest but didn't, then the correct thought pattern thereafter is not "stinkin' judges i'll show them whos boss" the right way to handle it is to say "alright, I admit i wanted to win, and admit i lost, fairly or unfairly, it is done, on with life" don't drum to WIN, that's the most rediculous thing. Tell me, why do you play drums? because you love to? well then just love to play the drums, don't get caught up in the hype and the race and the egotistical way of thinking.

and as for constructive criticism... never give your full effort in front of people, because there is no dignified way about 'letting it all hang out'

[Funkifized]

k well im gonna go to bed and dream about doing blast beats while doing 3 chicks at the same time....and trust me...in my imagination....its possible.....i hope this argument will end by the time i get up.... peace dogs

You know what I love about these internet confrontations? They always have some sort of really funny line here or there. ICM, LOL.

Btw, this thread is so so so very old. Somebody should just delete this thread. Hang it up. Forget it. In fact, we should all stop posting on this thread. Make mine the last.

[C.J.]

Sorry but I have to add:

[Justin:]
Do you know what it's like?
C'mon, C'mon

[Britney:]
Baby Tell me
Do I...
Look like the kinda girl
That you wanna take me home
Wanna make me your own
Do you even know what I like
Just what I'm living for,
What I adore
Baby, take the time to realize I'm
not the kind to sacrifice
The way I am
So if you wanna be my man (baby)

[Britney & Justin:]
Walk a mile in my shoes
Do me right or I'm through
Can't you see that
If you wanna stay around (I’m telling you)
You’ve got to figure me out
Take your time or you lose
This is my game, my rules
And I can see, obviously,
Baby You don't know
What It's like to be me

[Justin:]
Do you know what its like?
Do you know what its like?

[Britney:]
Don't you get it twisted boy
I want you too
But you got my heart to win
Before I let you in
And this deceives you baby
I'm not the average lady
I need someone to love

Baby, take the time to realize I'm
not the kind to sacrifice
The way I am
So if you wanna be my man (baby)

Walk a mile in my shoes
Do me right or I'm through
Can't you see that
If you wanna stay around (I’m tellin you)
You’ve got to figure me out
Take your time or you lose
This is my game, my rules
And I can see, obviously,
Baby You don't know
What It's like to be me

Baby, Get to know me
Then you can show me
that you love for me is true
I’ll give you everything
That a girl can give
Don't you wanna be my man?

Walk a mile in my shoes
Do me right or I'm through
Can't you see that
If you wanna stay around (I’m telling you)
You’ve got to figure me out (You’ve got to figure me out baby)
Take your time or you lose
This is my game, my rules (This is my game)
And I can see, obviously,
Baby you don't know
What It's like
(No No You Don’t)

(Breakdown)

Walk a mile in my shoes
Do me right or I'm through (This is my game baby)
Can't you see that
If you wanna stay around
You’ve got to figure me out (You’ve got to figure me out)
Take your time or you lose
This is my game, my rules
And I can see, obviously,
Baby You don't know
What It's like (to be me)


Musically,
Me ;)

[IronCobraMan]

i agree....no more posting on this thread for me

[alencore]

me too...hmmm gotta check out the fuzz.

[matricks]

I had a good post on here for ya Nev but it didn't work out, so here's the quick one.

I know both the '03 runner up for the Nationals and the '04 winner of the Nationals.

Quick story on the two. The '03 runner up has great chops but has an AMAZING groove, plays for the music... now has a gig in Nashville making good money playing with a CCM artist. The '04 winner... looking for work cause he can't tame his chops. His name is Royce Shorter... Royce's cousin is a drummer and his cousin has about one-tenth the chops and yet works ten times as much. Royce is a monsta, i remember watching him when he was 12 and he made it to the Regionals. No one, but drummers, care about chops or drum-offs... he ain't getting hired for winning a GC Drum-off. However, when he learns to chill and groove, that is when the work will come.

If you wanna be a GC Drum-off winner, keep working on the wanker-chops... if you wanna work, learn to play all types of pockets and learn HUMILITY!

As i said, the guy who won the whole damn thing (not just the guy who beat you at the store finals) can't get work cause he overplays too much. However, when he learns to pull the reigns in, that'll be when the phone'll start ringin'.

Bottom line... the guy who beat the guy, who beat the guy, who beat the guy, who beat the guy, who beat you, can't get work cause that isn't what people want. The guy who got second in the whole thing the year before... when you hear him play his real gig, you'd never know the kind of chops he has... you'd never know he's the type to play in a drum-off.

No one hires you to tear it up, they hire you to lay it down.

But i'm glad you like posting your vids, whatever floats your boat.

[The_Setite]

I had a good post on here for ya Nev but it didn't work out, so here's the quick one.

I know both the '03 runner up for the Nationals and the '04 winner of the Nationals.

Quick story on the two. The '03 runner up has great chops but has an AMAZING groove, plays for the music... now has a gig in Nashville making good money playing with a CCM artist. The '04 winner... looking for work cause he can't tame his chops. His name is Royce Shorter... Royce's cousin is a drummer and his cousin has about one-tenth the chops and yet works ten times as much. Royce is a monsta, i remember watching him when he was 12 and he made it to the Regionals. No one, but drummers, care about chops or drum-offs... he ain't getting hired for winning a GC Drum-off. However, when he learns to chill and groove, that is when the work will come.

If you wanna be a GC Drum-off winner, keep working on the wanker-chops... if you wanna work, learn to play all types of pockets and learn HUMILITY!

As i said, the guy who won the whole damn thing (not just the guy who beat you at the store finals) can't get work cause he overplays too much. However, when he learns to pull the reigns in, that'll be when the phone'll start ringin'.

Bottom line... the guy who beat the guy, who beat the guy, who beat the guy, who beat the guy, who beat you, can't get work cause that isn't what people want. The guy who got second in the whole thing the year before... when you hear him play his real gig, you'd never know the kind of chops he has... you'd never know he's the type to play in a drum-off.

No one hires you to tear it up, they hire you to lay it down.

But i'm glad you like posting your vids, whatever floats your boat.



LOL! I love posts like this....on the Virgil Donati board of all places. I bet you are one of these "groove Drummers". You guys always seem to know everything about drumming. "Wanker Chops"...hilarious......like Thomas Lang eh? or Dennis Chambers.....or Virgil Donati.........Mke Mangini......... all out of work terrible wanker chops drummers eh!!
Its true kids...have no pride or skill on your instrument and whatever you do....dont ever play anything other than 2 + 4 over 120bpm or you will NEVER get anywhere. Have no desire other than to play exactly what you are told and DO NOT under any circumstances attempt to push the limits of your instrument. Else you will never earn any money or work anywhere...just like Grant Collins...Marco Minneman....Dom Famularo........all those wanker chops drummers....
This guy knows...... I believe him.....
(yes I am a full time pro with a record deal (crash inc. a US metal Indie), manager, clinic circuit, done countless live sessions and gigs, very full teaching practice etc etc. just before you throw that one at me, taught by Thomas Lang for 1 year ay MI London so there.....)
How about we all learn to play appropriately instead of simply........less is not more else it would be more...perhaps pride ourselves on how we play rather than who we have played with...and stop listening to everyone else (including me) who will tell you their way is right and play how we want......surely thats the whole point.

[The_Setite]

And stop calling players with technique "wankers".....

[matricks]

First off, WHO has Dom worked with?

Second, you spout off about my post about wanker chops... i don't think you know the context that i am speaking of as far as Nev and the Drum-offs.

Third, i have a few "wanker chops" in my rep but those don't get you the majority of gigs out there. Do you mean to tell me that a majority of money-making gigs are chops-gigs? I think not. Sure if you are Virgil or Dennis or Marco and in the top .1% of the entire drumming world you can... however, i am telling how it is, yes i said "how it is", to a misguided drummer who pops up on every single board to show off his home videos of him playing "chops". Fine, aim to be a clinician... great, i hope him the best, however, if you want to make a living then you have a HELL of alot of work to do to make a living being one of those.

Learn all the wanker-sh*t, i love that stuff too... i practice that stuff way too much, myself. Just know that if you wanna make money, gotta do the other thing too...

[The_Setite]

First off, WHO has Dom worked with?
Nice....pick the one who is not a session drummer but a teacher. Well in his capacity as a world class clinician pretty much everyone worth mentioning in the percussion industry. I think you should read my point about not putting everything on who you have played with. Up until very recently Virgil had very few mainstream famous gigs to speak of Until Vai came along. He has however worked consistently in his chosen fields for years and years a relative unknown on the world stage until fairly recently (1998 isnt that long ago, the year of the modern drummer festival a big factor in catapulting him to fame) In a recent interview with Rhythm magazine in the UK Virgil talked about being his own entity and not people placing too much emphasis on who a given drummer has played with.

Second, you spout off about my post about wanker chops... i don't think you know the context that i am speaking of as far as Nev and the Drum-offs.

Oh dont worry, i know both of them. I stand by what I said however

Third, i have a few "wanker chops" in my rep but those don't get you the majority of gigs out there. Do you mean to tell me that a majority of money-making gigs are chops-gigs? I think not. Sure if you are Virgil or Dennis or Marco and in the top .1% of the entire drumming world you can...

Please explain why they are the exception to this rule????

however, i am telling how it is, yes i said "how it is", to a misguided drummer who pops up on every single board to show off his home videos of him playing "chops". Fine, aim to be a clinician... great, i hope him the best, however, if you want to make a living then you have a HELL of alot of work to do to make a living being one of those.

As you do in almost any branch of music....... Of course you have chops....why wouldnt you.
You seem to think its easy to make a living as a session drummer?? Perhaps you are one of the lucky who are constantly employed??
Maybe you misunderstand. You are not wrong about the fact that mainstream session and tour work requires solid time and no flash, its the constant references to "wanker chops" like having technique is a bad thing or showing it in any capacity that is the problem. In my experience the single biggest factor in getting work is contacts. Anyone who has worked in the industry proper for any amount of time will know of the nepotism that exists, and that being friends with the right people will get you an awfully long way. As you yourself say, you know a drummer with little technique who works a lot. That would be because he has good contacts and contemporary mainstream music simply is not that tricky to play in the most part

Learn all the wanker-sh*t, i love that stuff too... i practice that stuff way too much, myself. Just know that if you wanna make money, gotta do the other thing too...

Until the day comes where they realise that they can get a machine to replicate the simplistic style of playing required for pop, rock and country and pay less money for it. This is why session work as a whole is shrinking. This is "how it is".

Actuallly if you want to make a lot of money, teach. Its a lot easier to get into than getting high paid session or touring work. Why you think all these guys do it...even guys like Zoro? Its regular income playing drums...more power to em! If its all about money......but what about the ART of drumming.


Fact is there is more than one way to earn a living drumming, and you seem to be one of these guys who thinks that getting gigs is the be all and end all and the only valid thing. I have never got into recording session work as I dont really enjoy it all that much. I have however done tons of live sessions over the years. Am i less valid in my choice?? I have never had a "name" gig. My band had a cult following but I plan to attempt to make a name for myself as a drummer in my own right. I have however worked consistently for seven straight years never once been unemployed. Is this wrong?? Is Dave Weckl ok to play "unpopular" music which traditionally doesnt make a lot of money in his band? Or is that ok cos he has a name for himself??? (Through playing Jazz I would add)

Perhaps you should post to Thomas Lang about "wanker chops" see what he has to say????

[nevesis]

I had a good post on here for ya Nev but it didn't work out, so here's the quick one.

I know both the '03 runner up for the Nationals and the '04 winner of the Nationals.

Quick story on the two. The '03 runner up has great chops but has an AMAZING groove, plays for the music... now has a gig in Nashville making good money playing with a CCM artist. The '04 winner... looking for work cause he can't tame his chops. His name is Royce Shorter... Royce's cousin is a drummer and his cousin has about one-tenth the chops and yet works ten times as much. Royce is a monsta, i remember watching him when he was 12 and he made it to the Regionals. No one, but drummers, care about chops or drum-offs... he ain't getting hired for winning a GC Drum-off. However, when he learns to chill and groove, that is when the work will come.

If you wanna be a GC Drum-off winner, keep working on the wanker-chops... if you wanna work, learn to play all types of pockets and learn HUMILITY!

As i said, the guy who won the whole damn thing (not just the guy who beat you at the store finals) can't get work cause he overplays too much. However, when he learns to pull the reigns in, that'll be when the phone'll start ringin'.

Bottom line... the guy who beat the guy, who beat the guy, who beat the guy, who beat the guy, who beat you, can't get work cause that isn't what people want. The guy who got second in the whole thing the year before... when you hear him play his real gig, you'd never know the kind of chops he has... you'd never know he's the type to play in a drum-off.

No one hires you to tear it up, they hire you to lay it down.

But i'm glad you like posting your vids, whatever floats your boat.

Your post is good, but your not telling me anything I don't know already. Not saying this in a malicious way, its good advice, but does not apply to me in a situation outside of a drum-off.

There is a difference between the things you play in a drum-off to win it, and things you play out in the real world with musicians in musical situations.

I have never seen Royce play but from what you tell me I believe you 100% why he does not get work.

[bateria]

Your post is good, but your not telling me anything I don't know already. Not saying this in a malicious way, its good advice, but does not apply to me in a situation outside of a drum-off.

There is a difference between the things you play in a drum-off to win it, and things you play out in the real world with musicians in musical situations.

I have never seen Royce play but from what you tell me I believe you 100% why he does not get work.

How much work do you get? Ever played on any CDs?

[nevesis]

How much work do you get? Ever played on any CDs?

I don't consider myself a session drummer. I play with two bands regularly in NY and with other great musicians who live in my area. Any CD's I have played on are ones you can't buy in stores. Just independent material.

[matricks]

I mean, i didn't (and don't) want to sound like i am being a d*ck... i see you post your stuff alot, and that is cool. I wish that you would contribute some things other than videos of yourself, like posts and whatnot, on other sites but that is ok. You obviously are determined to become a player who has developed technique, and that is great. Just don't waste all that time on one thing and end up a lop-sided player. If you can couple technique with real-life application of it, you will be a killer drummer for other drummers to watch, and a killer drummer for other musicians to work with. I haven't checked out your vids for a while but i remember that you weren't shabby and i didn't find anything to really fault (honestly that is all i can say due to the fact that i watch these vids from work and have a horrible connection) but from what i got from it, you are in the right direction.

Like i said, about the guy who got second runner-up in '03 (Sam Matthews)... he grooves like a bad-ass but can unload some hip sh*t on you when the technique comes out. That is what he has over the Royce guy, he knows when to "give you a little" and when you put it back away. Royce will come along and do that some day... he's on his way, even since the last time i saw him he seemed more mature. I just had to chime in and throw my two cents in about this.

It would be a shame to develop wicked technique and not have anyone want to play with you because you missed out on the other side of the coin... though it is in fact more like a sphere (if you want to get all zen and fruity about it).

[IronCobraMan]

i got work with my chops once..... i was applying for a construction job....and the guy asked me.... do u have any experience in masonry? and i said... no .... but i can twirl drum sticks really well..... and he shook my hand and i started the next day.... so HAH...chops can get u work!

[matricks]

I stand corrected!

[IronCobraMan]

that never really happened to me , im such a loser :(

[bateria]

I don't consider myself a session drummer. I play with two bands regularly in NY and with other great musicians who live in my area. Any CD's I have played on are ones you can't buy in stores. Just independent material.

Cool, post some stuff if you ever get the chance. It would be cool to see you playing in a group.

[IronCobraMan]

yea....seriously...i wanna see how u apply ur "nev" chops to some actual rockin n rollin.... make it happen dude!!

[cjcdrums]

I third that.

[nevesis]

yea....seriously...i wanna see how u apply ur "nev" chops to some actual rockin n rollin.... make it happen dude!!

Hahah...if the music calls for it, it happens.

I am actually doing a drum clinic next week for a local summer music camp, I will probably video tape it and hopefully post it not too soon after.

[C.J.]

Bring it on Nevdude! And good luck for the clinic.

[Dillinger]

I noticed in your videos you switch between matched grip and trad. grip a few times, is this because you feel more comfortable playing certain patterns one way and not the other? Also, which grip do you prefer?
Loved the videos as well man, really nice playing. I am looking forward to the prospect of the clinic video and also videos of you playing in your band/s!

[nevesis]

I noticed in your videos you switch between matched grip and trad. grip a few times, is this because you feel more comfortable playing certain patterns one way and not the other?

Its hard to say, its not so much about comfort but as Dave Weckl has said in the past, traditional grip gives a different feel over matched grip. It is a more sensual feel. Once I saw how hard Virgil hits with traditional, it really inspired me to play more stuff like that. I just switch out of habit I guess.

Also, which grip do you prefer?

I am still most even and comfortable with matched grip, but I see myself playing traditional almost always soon.