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nevesis
08-25-2004, 01:17 PM
Hey everyone. I recently bought a bunch of recording gear and some mics and did my first video test with the audio recorded on my board. It is a short video but sounds decent.

I am still working out the kinks and everything, the bass drum is a little low in the mix, and I don't have overheads yet, but its still not bad!

http://www.thelabmusic.com/evan/

Download the video titled "evdrumtest81104.mov"

Post feedback below!

Thanks everyone!

Peace out,

Evan

D.W.A.
08-25-2004, 09:25 PM
the audio's a little better this time...the kicks just loud enough...snare's just right

firstbat71
09-02-2004, 07:43 PM
My 8 year old can play that stuff.

nevesis
09-02-2004, 09:12 PM
Im sure. :)

jonberg
09-03-2004, 04:45 AM
Thatīs some great drumming Nevesis, very fluid and precise, but
I would like to hear some grooving from you. For me it tells me more about a drummer than all the techniquall stuff. Looking forward to it!!
/jonberg

jimi
09-03-2004, 04:53 AM
Good stuff nev, post your drum track to some of the MMD tracks or something!

Christ Magnum
09-03-2004, 07:15 PM
Sounds awesome. Kick is a little low like you said and overhead mics would help, but it sounds great anyway. And I agree with Jonberg, we want grooves! :)

Revan
09-05-2004, 06:50 PM
You'll never get them, because he can't.

Btw, Nev, still sharing the premium stuff on the Pearl forums?

peterad
09-05-2004, 08:33 PM
yeah, really...you need to play a groove now and then. Your playing is very one dimensional, no dynamics, all the same speed and gets very boring very quickly. Sorry but im being honest.

C.J.
09-06-2004, 08:43 AM
That's a nice set of drums you have there...

slamnovalis
09-06-2004, 09:04 AM
Btw, Nev, still sharing the premium stuff on the Pearl forums?

Uh, oohhhhh!

Hey, Evan, is that not pretty much a slap in the face to Virgil and the other Premium Members of this site?

I, myself, am not a Premium Member (obviously... look near my username), but I can honestly tell you that my boxers would be bundled as bad as undies if I saw Virgil-Donati-Facial-Expression-Ripper-Off'er going around hosting and letting hundreds of other forumers from other forums watch videos of a drummer who's charging an arm and a leg (in a good way) to view, for free..

Come on, are you obvlious to rational thought, or what?

With that all said, I will admit to downloading those videos, but because of the opportunity it proposed, since I'm on a 56ghey connection. However, I'd say since I do indeed have my own identity behind the drum set, unlike yourself, mate, in the end scores me more points; so it's cool.

nevesis
09-06-2004, 10:02 AM
I don't care what anyone says about my playing. You do not know me, and never have seen me play in person live therefore its a fucking joke for you to try and judge me. Your comments fuel me to practice more, so actually keep on saying negative things because it makes me want to go play and get better.

I am already better then you and all the other people in this thread who posted baseless opinion's on what I played in those videos. Constructive criticism is one thing, jealously and going after someone because you just do not like them is another.

Maybe you need to go hit the practice room and get off the internet for a while so you can live in reality instead of this fantasy world where you can say whatever you want and hide behind a computer. Because if it was you and I in a room with two kits and we went head to head you would lose and I guarantee you wouldn't have the balls to talk shit to me then! :)

slamnovalis
09-06-2004, 10:53 AM
I don't care what anyone says about my playing. You do not know me, and never have seen me play in person live therefore its a fucking joke for you to try and judge me. Your comments fuel me to practice more, so actually keep on saying negative things because it makes me want to go play and get better.

I am already better then you and all the other people in this thread who posted baseless opinion's on what I played in those videos. Constructive criticism is one thing, jealously and going after someone because you just do not like them is another.

Maybe you need to go hit the practice room and get off the internet for a while so you can live in reality instead of this fantasy world where you can say whatever you want and hide behind a computer. Because if it was you and I in a room with two kits and we went head to head you would lose and I guarantee you wouldn't have the balls to talk shit to me then! :)


Damn boy-son, what condition do you suffer from? Automatically assuming that since someone really finds your playing to be rather tasteless and lacking of the most important thing, the groove (and no, not your used-up 1+a 2+a on the hi-hat/ride, 1's and the last 16th note of ever four quarters on the bass drum, and ghost/grace notes on your snare).

Some may consider what you have as "chops." I consider them basic, BUT well-developed senses of rudimentary application and orchestration.. Fair enough?

Your endless Dennis and Virg licks really overshadow any originality in your playing. It's one thing to be influenced, but it's another to blatantly steal the obvious trademarks of another *Ahem* Dennis's "signature" triplet ostinato.

Having that said, you've never heard me play. There you have it!

nevesis
09-06-2004, 11:25 AM
I do not need to defend myself anymore then what I stated. Your a tool, and can pick me apart as much as you would like, but your not the one actually going places with their talent. :)

slamnovalis
09-06-2004, 12:43 PM
I do not need to defend myself anymore then what I stated. Your a tool, and can pick me apart as much as you would like, but your not the one actually going places with their talent. :)

Oh really, what places are you going?-- Because I'd really like to know.

As I'm knocking on wood as I type this, since I don't like making big stinks over something that I try to remain as careless as possible over, even though I view my college education as a back-up plan still, I'm working with a band that has an open foot in the door with not only Island records but also RCA. With a national manager working with us and doing all that he can to prepare us for our special meeting with an A&R guy (a very speical one he knows from Island, and the president of RCA being one of the guitarist's uncle's and father's good friend), we're bustin' our chops and trying to do things the right way. Really, we have it easy, and there is nothing wrong with that.

This band has been a band for just a few weeks over a year, and with 15 original tunes, each of which has been recorded by a world renowned engineer as well as artist and performer (see Dave Hanner-- Has written material for plenty of artists in his time and has also toured with Emerson Lake and Palmer, Yes, Fleetwood Mac, Kenny Rogers, etc.), we're still churning out more and more material with a goal of 30-some to present. Due to how labels are really into the pick and choose side of things, we're working our buns off, avoiding writing anything that may be looked upon as a "filler," to atleast keep 15 tracks for a debut album in case half of the tracks are eliminated.

Not to mention, as I've just been informed, we've become a hot act as of this past saturday when the president of Joker Productions, one of the biggest promoters in the south-western Pa. area for some of the bestest clubs in Pittsburgh, decided to check us out. Not bad, eh?

So, again, where exactly are or do you think you're going? Do you specialize in any other instruments that will maybe increase your chances as a musician rather than/or are you "just" a drummer?

peterad
09-06-2004, 12:54 PM
Hey Evan, sorry to see your getting ripped up here, but the more you act like a tough guy saying how were all not as good as you just because we are not impressed with 1000 mile per hour non stop drum fills, the more it proves our point and shows your immaturity as a drummer.
I promise I can out play you any day of the week, I studied extensively with Alan Dawson till right before he died, and then Gary Chaffee. I bet you have no idea who those guys are, do you? They taught some of the greatest players in drumming history. The FIRST thing they both told me is that speed and power mean nothing, and they were totally right. You need to actually say something with feeling on the drums otherwise it gets tired real fast. Ever see Steve Gadd attempt to blow his load like that? Nope! Jeff Pocaro? Nope! John Bonham? Never! Even Vinnie Colaiuta and Dave Weckl use it in moderation, and play with feeling. Virgil himself would tell you you need to relax a bit with the agressive drumming. Im not saying this as an insult, but you are still young and you will someday (hopefully) know when to use your chops. Till then, your only going to impress younger guys like your self and GOD FORBID a record exec ever hears you play like that, youll kill any chances of your band ever getting signed.

So, no more tough guy threats about being face to face, int he mean time, go back to playing high school talent shows and guitar center drum offs, ok little man?

PolyOstinato
09-06-2004, 01:52 PM
Nevesis - you asked for comments and you've gotten them. You seem incredibly defensive. Many of the people here are not just fans of Virgil and advanced drumming in general, but are skilled players on their own. That is why we're here and not on Kenny Aronoff's forum (assuming he has one). You obviously have acquired some skills, but when your peers criticize your application of them you apparently can't accept that and attack them. Why? A more mature drummer might take them to heart and work on the deficits found in their playing.

nevesis
09-06-2004, 02:50 PM
Haha, so many newbies. Wonder where they all came from?

You should never judge any drummer or musician until you see them play in front of your face. The few clips I have put on the web are not everything I can do, and does not even come close to showcasing every part of my drumming. It does not even show me playing with the groups I play with! Its purely pathetic to put me down for not even having seen me play.

No reason for negative attack comments toward me. Constructive criticism is one thing, but when its an attack on what I am doing and what I am not doing, thats judging me. It is unfair and speaks volumes about the insecurities you felt after watching what you did. I know from experience, I used to feel the same way watching a drummer who was better then me. I felt the need to put them down and nit pick what they don't do well or what they could do better. Thats futile. I learned there is always something I can learn from another drummer who is better then me, or isint. As well, I would never judge a drummer from seeing a few video clips, or never listened to him play with a band, or never even seen him live.

I know for a fact all the naysayers here if met me face to face or played with me face to face would not be saying what they had the courage to type out behind a computer screen. Its purely cowardice. There are alot of things I don't do well on the drums, and alot of things I do well. There is not a drummer living right now that has and can do EVERYTHING. Its the case of being human.

peter
09-06-2004, 03:39 PM
Nevesis,

I stopped reading after it got negative.

Continue working on everything. Stay focused
on what you know to be your weaknesses.

If Virgil or Mangini comes your way, make sure
to go out and see them for any of their clinics
or classes that they might give.

On recording, I'd suggest really working on the
mix but not just for drums but for recording with
music - live and playalong.

Keep working hard.

peter690
09-06-2004, 03:47 PM
I have nothing negative to say. I think you have some fast and pretty accurate chops. Some constructive critisism would be this, having played pipe band music and jazz for some time i would recomend using the space between the notes to help create music. You are always filling in something which is cool, but there's other stuff you could do too.

On a different note I think you should try this. Instead of being at the same level as everyone who attacks your style, just record a clip of you grooving and post it up. We all know you have the equip to do it, so just remember actions speak louder then words. I too would like to hear you lay down a sweet groove, I may learn something new from a drummer with different experiences.

Peter

nevesis
09-06-2004, 03:48 PM
I have nothing negative to say. I think you have some fast and pretty accurate chops. Some constructive critisism would be this, having played pipe band music and jazz for some time i would recomend using the space between the notes to help create music. You are always filling in something which is cool, but there's other stuff you could do too.

On a different note I think you should try this. Instead of being at the same level as everyone who attacks your style, just record a clip of you grooving and post it up. We all know you have the equip to do it, so just remember actions speak louder then words. I too would like to hear you lay down a sweet groove, I may learn something new from a drummer with different experiences.

Peter

Well stated Peter. Will do.

vdreignsuponus1
09-06-2004, 03:49 PM
yeah, for those of who dont know, nevesis went out of his way a while back to send me some burned cds of his over fedex. he brought my ears to CAB4, greg howe, a 42 minute long dennis chambers clinic solo cd, and much more! no reason for negative feedback. he's a nice guy and good drummer!:)

peterad
09-06-2004, 05:06 PM
I'll apologize if I came off a bit agressive before, but as a professional drummer and drum teacher, its frustrating to explain to a younger player the importance of keeping good solid time, while tastefully playing fills and keeping a good feeling, and then have them say "yeah, but Mike Portnoy plays double bass in odd time really really fast". Maybe I jumped the gun by accusing you of that same kind of thinking. Heres my constructive criticism:
Keep practicing your speed and ability to fill in every note, but also practice making a song feel good WITHOUT playing a fill. Just try changing the beat a bit for the different parts of the song. Do that for a while and youll appreciate the opportunity to play a fill, and youll really make the most of it.
Listen to your live performances, and ask your self honestly if the audience can move to your beat (even if its not dance music). I always look at the audience, as well as my band mates to see if they are tapping their feet. if they are then all is well! One last thing, and again, this is constructive: You need to stop saying that others feel insecure because your better than them. THAT is YOU judging us now, and it definitly shows your insecurity. You put these vids up for us to critique, and we did. Please dont be so offended.
Have you studied with anyone, or are you self taught?

kirk
09-06-2004, 05:26 PM
Nevesis I have always stated that you are a very good young drummer and I encourage the clips that you post. But I fail to see all the comments being made as negative. I have read all the comments numerous times some are just sarcastic(and are a waste of time) but some make some good points. I for one think there does need to be a much greater sense of dynamics, and showcasing the rhythmic foundation being more creative and patient in building a strong base for the flashy licks that eventually will come.

Your phrasing becomes to predictable and repetitious and in my opinion does not breath and lacks taste at times, more thought about proper placement(taste) and imagination on WHAT you actual will play.( I am sure that you can and do play other way's but it should also be a strong part of the clips where you are blowing) I do not have a problem with alot of chops if they are precise and fluid and you have both good precision and fluidity so hat's off to you. Groove to me has nothing to do with playing busy or not. It has to do with does it FIT does it ENHANCE the stated overall musical theme.

One thing I love about Virg, is that he starts with establishing a strong complex, creative grooving base and the chops work off of that, not the other way around. And his phrasing is always fresh and for the most part very tasteful and he has great dynamics. Virg has alien chops, but his rhythmic base, his creative and complex sense of time and command of it are more astonishing in reality. The amazing licks compliment.

Good work Nevesis, keep it up. And Peter is right as he usually is. :D Wise
words.

Kirk

nevesis
09-06-2004, 06:14 PM
I'll apologize if I came off a bit agressive before, but as a professional drummer and drum teacher, its frustrating to explain to a younger player the importance of keeping good solid time, while tastefully playing fills and keeping a good feeling, and then have them say "yeah, but Mike Portnoy plays double bass in odd time really really fast". Maybe I jumped the gun by accusing you of that same kind of thinking. Heres my constructive criticism:
Keep practicing your speed and ability to fill in every note, but also practice making a song feel good WITHOUT playing a fill. Just try changing the beat a bit for the different parts of the song. Do that for a while and youll appreciate the opportunity to play a fill, and youll really make the most of it.
Listen to your live performances, and ask your self honestly if the audience can move to your beat (even if its not dance music). I always look at the audience, as well as my band mates to see if they are tapping their feet. if they are then all is well! One last thing, and again, this is constructive: You need to stop saying that others feel insecure because your better than them. THAT is YOU judging us now, and it definitly shows your insecurity. You put these vids up for us to critique, and we did. Please dont be so offended.
Have you studied with anyone, or are you self taught?

Listen man, I assume you are an older guy and should know by now, all of what I posted has nothing to do with how I play with the bands I do!

You telling me about appreciating the opportunity to play a fill, and make the most out of it, making a song feel good...

It is beyond me that you never even seeing me play with the bands I do can judge that I do not play musically, and holding back all out chops and fills. When I play music, it is for one thing THE MUSIC. I am a groove player and I hold back alot.

If you were to see a Vinnie Colaiuta clinic, would you ever think he plays the same way with Karizma? You got to be kidding me! Music and playing an all out drum solo with no boundaries are a world apart. You should know this, and I believe you do, but your too blinded by thinking I am a one trick pony and have no sense of what playing with a band is.

The Drum off solo is about appealing to the judges on what you are getting judged on. Musicality is not one of the things. Its basically one big flash contest and the person who makes the audience go craziest impresses the judges most and thats how you win! So thats what I did!

Now if you were to see me soloing in a musical context you would know, my entire ability does not revolve around blowing chops the entire time.

You just have to understand, some things are not as basic as they may seem. I am 23 years old, and in no way do I think I am the best drummer. I am not cocky, I am on a continuing quest to get better and further myself in this artform. To see other people judging me right off the bat and telling me I can't do this, and I can't do that is just foolish and like I said before cowardice.

The next videos I show will change everyone's opinion's who think negatively toward myself and my drumming/musical ability.

I will leave it at that.

Johnny
09-06-2004, 07:00 PM
Dude, you be as cocky as you want...I don't care. It means nothing to me. But I would caution you that being a good musician begins with being a good man. And if you're as good as you keep telling these people, then you don't need to defend yourself.

But, if you're burning guys' CDs, and sharing Virgil's premium material as some have charged, then that is outright theft and I strongly urge you to stop. If not, then that's cool, and guys should stop accusing you.

dcdrmwthme
09-06-2004, 07:16 PM
Hello all,

This is the first time ive ever posted to any messageboard, but knowing Evan and having watched him play in person, I felt compelled to do so. The video he posted is from a competition, and the idea is to show your stuff, isnt it? I played against Evan at last years Drum Off, and he beat me. I have since been studying with Gary Chaffee for a year now, and he has totally changed my playing around. In this years competition, I will be playing some of Garys challenging polyrhythmic time feels and deep fusion grooves and hopefully impress some people in the audience who are advanced drummers, but thats not going to cut it for most listeners. I bet most listeners will think the polyrhythms are a mistake on my part! Im pretty sure Evan will win this years competition again, because he can do all the flashy things that impress a lot of drummers, as well as non drummers. He is going to play to the audience, im sure. Drum Off is about flash and showing off, and thats what he will bring. Im also sure that he doesnt turn every song into a solo either. Evan is only 23, so think back to when YOU were 23, did you have the same chops? I know I didnt.
Hey, those of you in the NY area, come check out the Drum off and see for yourself! Good luck Evan!

mauricio
09-06-2004, 07:40 PM
If i posted some videos here, the LAST thing I would like to hear is compliments. I would want all kinds of crticism.

I would like to see Evan playing with a band. Post something that has you playing in a band context!

PolyOstinato
09-06-2004, 08:45 PM
I look forward to your next posts. You obviously have speed and some very cool licks down. You're an excellent technician for your age - or any age. Try not to be so defensive to the observations of your playing. Most of the comments weren't malicious. You make a good point about the purpose of the vid's being for a drum solo contest, but my read is that the criticisms were intended to be helpful.

Also, I hope the charges about you sharing the Virgil material aren't true. You obviously are a great admirer of him so it wouldn't be right to steal from him. It's a small world and word gets around.

Kinetic drummer
09-06-2004, 08:45 PM
your vid is cool man.
maybe you didnt impress the audience, cuz like other guys said.. we know about it. and some drummers here can do that kinda chops or even harder stuff that only if you know about it, you will notice. besides you have poster solos back defore, and thats pretty much the same style. they were asking for other things,.. thats all dont take it so hard!! youre amazing man you know it. and of course is also stupid to say that he cant groove. its stupid to judge just for a few vids.
your not that young, you know what you want know.. and we cant say something cuz we havent seen you live.youre right.
but come on, also, everybody should grab your balls and swallow your pride. if you envy him shut the fuck up... if you recieve unwanted feedback... why did you posted it then?

y que chingue su madre el pendejo de los 1200 jajaja

kirk
09-06-2004, 08:59 PM
What kind of feedback do you want Nevesis!???? If we say that you can work on certain areas than immediately you say it is negative feedback. I think not. Are my comments negative because I pointed out areas where you need improvement. I have also pointed out many times your strength's. You say feedback that means complimentary and not so complimentary, but do not take it as an insult. Man I studied for three years with an instructor in college, How much feedback do you think I got that was not very complimentary, where do I begin. Whether or not you or soloing or playing for the song there are areas where improvement is always needed, that is a given(with everyone) and if you post and ask for feedback well then, you will get it. I for one am giving feedback as it pertains to your soloing, I am sure you can play in a band context, so I am not going there. My comments are about your soloing period. Some guy's on here just make sarcastic comments for the sake of sarcasm but most are trying to give sincere and helpful advice.

Keep up the goodwork and like I said you are a darn fine player. We all got alot to learn.

Kirk

slamnovalis
09-06-2004, 09:46 PM
But, if you're burning guys' CDs, and sharing Virgil's premium material as some have charged, then that is outright theft and I strongly urge you to stop. If not, then that's cool, and guys should stop accusing you.

http://209.25.203.234/showthread.php?t=52918&highlight=Virgil+Donati

nevesis
09-06-2004, 10:34 PM
I don't see any video's avaliable for download.

I took it down once I realized the material I paid money for is not allowed to be shared to outside sources. This has been dealt with between myself and the appropriate people in charge here.

bootdogs
09-06-2004, 10:53 PM
Nevesis,

As much as I appreciate your talent, I agree with a lot of people here, especially with what Kirk said. I'm sure you're a cool guy and you can dish out some criticism and accept compliments (don't we all!), but the shredding gets stale after a while. Post something different so we can replenish our library with some new stuff of yours.

Oh and on another note, I find what you did on the Pearl boards to be a downright hipocritical move. I saw your 'open letters' and 'demands' here to the webmaster on how much you wanna see some new content of Virgil playing shows, etc. For what? For you to share it a little more? - I think if Chris didn't write that message in the premium members area on people illegally sharing videos, you would maybe still sharing those videos till today. I'm glad you grew a conciense after that. You're getting an assload of stuff for $30/month and you're pissing it away. Nice.

For the sake of this site survival and premium members, you should think about what you do before you pull a stunt like that again.

jonberg
09-06-2004, 11:41 PM
Thatīs some great drumming Nevesis, very fluid and precise, but
I would like to hear some grooving from you. For me it tells me more about a drummer than all the techniquall stuff. Looking forward to it!!
/jonberg
Oh shit man, havenīt been on the board since I wrote that, this has growed huge!
Nevesis, I hope that you didnīt misunderstand my post here about your playing. Itīs great drumming in that "style", BUT, for me as a drummer on this board itīs pretty boring actually so I just asked for some cool grooving ideas being shared from you. I donīt think anyone had an bad intent to put down your drumming.
But you have to realize that when you only have posted those kind of solos before and asked for comments, and also have gained some good comments about it, why do it again?? Post something new instead, something that we havenīt heard before. I have been (and still are) a very techniquall drummer, like to practise hard things etc.. BUT, I realized 2years ago that if I would become a proffesional drummer, I had to becoming a more steady grooving allround drummer. And something I reacted to:

"I am already better then you and all the other people in this thread who posted baseless opinion's on what I played in those videos. Constructive criticism is one thing, jealously and going after someone because you just do not like them is another. "

They had some opinions about your drumming, you gotta to be able to handle it!! And:

"Maybe you need to go hit the practice room and get off the internet for a while so you can live in reality instead of this fantasy world where you can say whatever you want and hide behind a computer. Because if it was you and I in a room with two kits and we went head to head you would lose and I guarantee you wouldn't have the balls to talk shit to me then!"

Man I think that is unhuman behaviour, we are all humans and, trust me, that kind of attitude will only slap you in the face someday! And:

"You should never judge any drummer or musician until you see them play in front of your face. The few clips I have put on the web are not everything I can do, and does not even come close to showcasing every part of my drumming. It does not even show me playing with the groups I play with! Its purely pathetic to put me down for not even having seen me play."
Well, LETīS SE THOSE CLIPS INSTEAD!

Like I said, looking forward to them! Keep it up!
/ Jonberg

vdreignsuponus1
09-07-2004, 02:50 AM
wow, this thread doesnt seem to blasting a whole lot of good. maybe we should just kinda stop it..

jagdkommando
09-07-2004, 04:46 AM
I don't see any video's avaliable for download.

I took it down once I realized the material I paid money for is not allowed to be shared to outside sources. This has been dealt with between myself and the appropriate people in charge here.

that's a very stupid reason to defend your illegal activity! chris
always emphasized the most important premium member rule, that
is: YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SHARE MATERIAL.

If I were chris I'd ban you from premium membership.

nevertheless: I like your drumming very much :)

nevesis
09-07-2004, 09:24 AM
It has already been dealt with, and there has been no video to download for months now. It came down the day after it went up.

slamnovalis
09-07-2004, 01:51 PM
It has already been dealt with, and there has been no video to download for months now. It came down the day after it went up.

not to beat a dead horse or drag this any further, but i'll say that i strongly disagree, because i downloaded those videos about two days after they were up online and a week later, i wanted to show a friend, went over his house and downloaded them on his pc as well.

but whatever you say, dude :eek:

vdreignsuponus1
09-07-2004, 05:42 PM
yeah, im just not gonna post for a while cause im offly annoyed shitless with this thread. yeah..WOAH!..seriously, i think that's about enough for this thread, if u dont mind my saying so.

bootdogs
09-07-2004, 06:26 PM
not to beat a dead horse or drag this any further, but i'll say that i strongly disagree, because i downloaded those videos about two days after they were up online and a week later, i wanted to show a friend, went over his house and downloaded them on his pc as well.

but whatever you say, dude :eek:
I agree with you slam, that same link also showed up on another website not too long ago and I could download the vids. Anyway, it's down now...at least we know someone who would maybe share amongst us :)

C.J.
09-08-2004, 04:00 AM
What I find funny about all of this, concerning the debate on Nevesis' shreding, is that one minute I'm on this message board reading that some drummers are being called lame because they "haven't got any chops" like Portnoy or Lars... The next I'm reading about a guy who shreds around the drum kit and who's being called the same because he has to many chops... :$

Johnny
09-08-2004, 06:35 AM
Um, if you downloaded the booltlegged videos, then you really have no call to criticize the guy that posted them...

kirk
09-08-2004, 08:45 AM
There is no one being called lame for TOO many or too little chops. It has nothing to do with chops, too many or too little, that is very vague at best and it sure is not the what many of these posts are about. Let's put a little more time into reading the posts. Again let us repeat, if someone ASK'S for feedback than some will give it constructively. There are some guy's on this board who have played for awhile been down this road and have a little wisdom to give if asked for it, whether it is about technique or chops, taste, gigging, business, stylisitic balance etc. When I see someone ask for feedback I take them serious even though I rarely reply back, problem is many say it but really do not want it(that is if it is not complimentary). And Portnoy and Ulrich are irrelevent to this topic. And Virgil's material being ripped off is VERY serious and rightly so has a few guy's ticked off. It need's not happen again.

D. Slam
09-08-2004, 09:42 AM
I do not need to defend myself anymore then what I stated. Your a tool, and can pick me apart as much as you would like, but your not the one actually going places with their talent. :)

WOW! I don't believe this!!! nevesis has the guts to put his stuff on the line for all of us to hear and all you guys can do is rip him apart?!

personally nevesis, I say it's because of your talent. I've been playing drums longer than most have been alive here and what you did is VERY GOOD! What you did took guts because it opens you up for these kinds of malicious, cruel and senseless attacks. These folks are the ones that you will never hear anything from because they're too busy jealously destroying that which is good. And I'm telling you, YOUR DRUMMING IS GOOD!

Anybody who knows anything about doing ANYTHING knows that everything you do requires technique! Everyone uses technique! Hell, you use technique when you brush your fricken teeth for crying out loud... The question is, is it good or is it bad.

Frankly, I'm suspect about ones ability that can make a full spectrum, conclusive judgement of someone's talent just from looking and listening to a one minute video/audio clip.

My advice to you, nevesis.... Just keep doing what you're doing! You should always expect to be blasted by some who wish they had the talent you did. I bet if you had lied and sent that in as an audio clip that you aquired of Virgil practicing, they'd all be going nuts by now.

Anyway, as an artist, you CANNOT let this garbage bother you. Some of it will always spill from the can... I for one loved what you did. I've been playing drums for 37 years and I can say without any reservation that you inspire me!

I viewed the one clip. the clip was what it was. I figured you didn't groove because you probably didn't want to, plain and simple. I made no pre assumptions that you couldn't. I'm assuming you did just what you wanted to do at that given time. There is no way me or anyone else can judge your overall playing ability as a drummer on THAT one single clip. It was all good with me...

Maybe a few of these ridiculing know it alls can show you what THEY'RE workin' with.... though I doubt it.

Keep up the great work nevesis!

Don.

D. Slam
09-08-2004, 10:29 AM
Hey Evan, sorry to see your getting ripped up here, but the more you act like a tough guy saying how were all not as good as you just because we are not impressed with 1000 mile per hour non stop drum fills, the more it proves our point and shows your immaturity as a drummer.
I promise I can out play you any day of the week, I studied extensively with Alan Dawson till right before he died, and then Gary Chaffee. I bet you have no idea who those guys are, do you? They taught some of the greatest players in drumming history. The FIRST thing they both told me is that speed and power mean nothing, and they were totally right. You need to actually say something with feeling on the drums otherwise it gets tired real fast. Ever see Steve Gadd attempt to blow his load like that? Nope! Jeff Pocaro? Nope! John Bonham? Never! Even Vinnie Colaiuta and Dave Weckl use it in moderation, and play with feeling. Virgil himself would tell you you need to relax a bit with the agressive drumming. Im not saying this as an insult, but you are still young and you will someday (hopefully) know when to use your chops. Till then, your only going to impress younger guys like your self and GOD FORBID a record exec ever hears you play like that, youll kill any chances of your band ever getting signed.

So, no more tough guy threats about being face to face, int he mean time, go back to playing high school talent shows and guitar center drum offs, ok little man?

"The FIRST thing they both told me is that speed and power mean nothing,"

Hmmmm. Someone forgot to tell that to Billy Cobham, Dennis Chambers, Virgil Donati, Steve Gadd, Vinnie Colaiuta, Dave Weckl, Gary Husband, Tony Williams, Lenny White, Buddy Rich..... Need I go on?! We've heard their work And know their contributions to the world of music.

"Speed and power"? What Mahavishnu Orchestra or "Return To Forever" record did Alan Dawson ever play on?

"Speed and power mean nothing"!!!!??? Nothing?! You might want to consider rethinking that one. I find it really hard to fathom that they actually told you that. And if they did, I find it even more astonishing that you believed it.

The fact is, the only time "speed and power means nothing" is when you choose not to be fast and powerful..... Any takers?

Don.

P.S. Oh, peterad, speaking of Steve Gadd's speed and power playing, I take it you've never heard him on Stanley Clarks "Journey To Love" Album. Wait till you hear the load he blows on that record.

slamnovalis
09-08-2004, 11:35 AM
Um, if you downloaded the booltlegged videos, then you really have no call to criticize the guy that posted them...

well, that all depends. i say "negative."

nevesis
09-08-2004, 11:56 AM
WOW! I don't believe this!!! nevesis has the guts to put his stuff on the line for all of us to hear and all you guys can do is rip him apart?!

personally nevesis, I say it's because of your talent. I've been playing drums longer than most have been alive here and what you did is VERY GOOD! What you did took guts because it opens you up for these kinds of malicious, cruel and senseless attacks. These folks are the ones that you will never hear anything from because they're too busy jealously destroying that which is good. And I'm telling you, YOUR DRUMMING IS GOOD!

Anybody who knows anything about doing ANYTHING knows that everything you do requires technique! Everyone uses technique! Hell, you use technique when you brush your fricken teeth for crying out loud... The question is, is it good or is it bad.

Frankly, I'm suspect about ones ability that can make a full spectrum, conclusive judgement of someone's talent just from looking and listening to a one minute video/audio clip.

My advice to you, nevesis.... Just keep doing what you're doing! You should always expect to be blasted by some who wish they had the talent you did. I bet if you had lied and sent that in as an audio clip that you aquired of Virgil practicing, they'd all be going nuts by now.

Anyway, as an artist, you CANNOT let this garbage bother you. Some of it will always spill from the can... I for one loved what you did. I've been playing drums for 37 years and I can say without any reservation that you inspire me!

I viewed the one clip. the clip was what it was. I figured you didn't groove because you probably didn't want to, plain and simple. I made no pre assumptions that you couldn't. I'm assuming you did just what you wanted to do at that given time. There is no way me or anyone else can judge your overall playing ability as a drummer on THAT one single clip. It was all good with me...

Maybe a few of these ridiculing know it alls can show you what THEY'RE workin' with.... though I doubt it.

Keep up the great work nevesis!

Don.

Thank you Don for understanding.

For anyone who posted negative judgemental things that were not constructive (you know who you are) take some advice from D Slam's post because he is dead on right.

Pieces of shit like slamnovalis are just jealous smear merchants who like to judge people because of their own insecurities whether it be in everyday life or on the drums. Your hatred toward me just fuels me to practice and become better.

Thank you D Slam for being one of very few who actually understand and do not judge my playing based on a few clips.

D. Slam
09-08-2004, 01:50 PM
Thank you Don for understanding.

For anyone who posted negative judgemental things that were not constructive (you know who you are) take some advice from D Slam's post because he is dead on right.

Pieces of shit like slamnovalis are just jealous smear merchants who like to judge people because of their own insecurities whether it be in everyday life or on the drums. Your hatred toward me just fuels me to practice and become better.

Thank you D Slam for being one of very few who actually understand and do not judge my playing based on a few clips.

No problem nevesis. Let me give you just a bit more advice. 1. Stay humble. God resists the proud but exalts the humble at heart. 2. Try not to harbor anger, It's not good for you or your drumming. 3. You have nothing to prove to ANYONE but yourself. Practice and play because that's what you love to do. Remember, doing something for the RIGHT reason will make it right. The proof will be in the pudding.

I just checked out your other clips a few hours ago for the first time... Very nice! You have technique and control far beyond your years and that scares some people.... Hang in bruh!

Don.

kirk
09-08-2004, 01:51 PM
So D Slam are you saying EVERYONE that gave feedback (which was asked for) is malicious and their comments garbage. The point again has nothing to do with one or 2 video clips or whether it was soloing or not. I say again if someone posts clips(again band context, solo, chops galore or not) and ask's for feedback, are they being sincere or are they just looking for a pat on the back. I said before SOME just like to reply with sarcasm and no real input and they just need to keep their remarks to themselves, but some replied back with VALID feedback, again which was asked for.

I get sick and tired of certain guy's who jump on here and do not seem to read the posts then they jump to conclusions and lump everyone in the same category. Take time and read each post carefully than reply back to a SPECIFIC post. Do not make blanket statements. I fail to see where everyone is making the same points.

Again if someone posts and ASKS for feedback than expect to get it. That which validates obvious strengths and also points out where someone might need to grow. DO NOT post if you do not want feedback simple as that. I have seen where their have been MANY who have praised Nevesis and others for their abilities and have pointed out areas where they need to grow because they were asked. I take time to read EACH post carefully and reply accordingly, it has it's benifits to do it in that fashion. It is amazing where something so simple get's blown out of proportion because SOME on BOTH sides of the fence jump to conclusions and make quick and uninformed statements.

jonberg
09-08-2004, 03:25 PM
Totally agree with you Kirk, everyone hasnīt post negative posts, some were constructive! Me personally asked you Nevesis for some groove playing not because you CANīT do, but because I would like to hear it. You should take it as a good sign that people want to hear more from you. AND, like Kirk said, if someone asks for comments, they have to be ready to hear some things that they maybe wonīt like.
/ Jonberg

The_Setite
09-08-2004, 04:41 PM
Where is the moderator? Why hasnt this shit been removed? This has nothing to do with drumming and all to do with egos and one upmanship. End this thread now please. This kind of crap destroys message boards and communities. i thought this site would be different.......

Jewelz
09-08-2004, 05:52 PM
Hey i just joined yesterday :) This is one (-) Thread!
Being a sound engineer i thought i'd d/l his video and comment on the MIX!!
That is what he was asking!
As its d/l i'm reading the thread..whoa!
Anyhow, overheads are good, and if you have EQ or HPF and LPF's for the kicks/toms(LPF) and hi's(HPF) then you can tighten the mix. To tighten it up even more employ a expander/Gate. With overheads - when you get them - apply compression. Play around. I'd love mic' and mixing drums.
Jewelz

P.S. nevesis good stuff man ignore all (-) posts don't respond to them ( you probably know now it never works!! just laugh it off )
:D

peterad
09-08-2004, 07:40 PM
D.Slam,
have you ever noticed that the greatest drummers all have the ability to blow us away with their talent, yet do so in a tasteful way? God, I wish I had Billy Cobhams hands, especially from "Birds of Fire". I probably never will, so all I can do is appreciate his speed. I do not, however appreciate any song that is played entirely as a drum solo, it gets boring after about 30 seconds. Vinnie, Gadd, Tony Williams and so on made their impact because of their feel and their ability to make the song soud great. Buddy and Williams kept busy time, yes, but never overplayed and took away from the music. Ask any drummer who knows anything, if steve Gadd is known for his deep groove (The Hustle, Chuck E's in Love, Late in the Evening) or his ability to play a 32nd note Paradiddle for 16 straight bars, and the'll all tell you the same thing...its the GROVE. A guy like Evan, if he combines a nice feel with some of those killer fills every now and then, could make a living as a drummer if he wants to.
I'll say it again, Alan Dawson and Gary Chaffee both say (said ) the same thing. As a matter of fact, pick up Gary Chaffees Time Functioning book and on the CD, one of the first thing he says is that playing fast and loud are amongst the least important things. One last thing...heres a PARTIAL list of Alan Dawsons former students...Tony Williams, Terri Lyne Carrington, Steve Smith, Joe LaBarbera, Joe Corsello, Kenwood Dennard, John "J.R." Robinson, Casey Scheuerell, Harvey Mason, Vinnie Colaiuta, Keith Copeland, Jake Hanna, Bobby Ward, Akira Tana just to name a few.

kirk
09-08-2004, 10:11 PM
Hey for all of you who do not like the posts, just stay off the darn board and quit complaining. Someone asked for feedback and it is being given. Quit the Holier than thou comments. There is actually very good debate going on. If you do not like it go read something else, no one is forcing anybody to read what is here.

D. Slam
09-08-2004, 11:26 PM
So D Slam are you saying EVERYONE that gave feedback (which was asked for) is malicious and their comments garbage. The point again has nothing to do with one or 2 video clips or whether it was soloing or not. I say again if someone posts clips(again band context, solo, chops galore or not) and ask's for feedback, are they being sincere or are they just looking for a pat on the back. I said before SOME just like to reply with sarcasm and no real input and they just need to keep their remarks to themselves, but some replied back with VALID feedback, again which was asked for.

I get sick and tired of certain guy's who jump on here and do not seem to read the posts then they jump to conclusions and lump everyone in the same category. Take time and read each post carefully than reply back to a SPECIFIC post. Do not make blanket statements. I fail to see where everyone is making the same points.

Again if someone posts and ASKS for feedback than expect to get it. That which validates obvious strengths and also points out where someone might need to grow. DO NOT post if you do not want feedback simple as that. I have seen where their have been MANY who have praised Nevesis and others for their abilities and have pointed out areas where they need to grow because they were asked. I take time to read EACH post carefully and reply accordingly, it has it's benifits to do it in that fashion. It is amazing where something so simple get's blown out of proportion because SOME on BOTH sides of the fence jump to conclusions and make quick and uninformed statements.

Kirk,

Those who posted the negative posts know who they are... You read them and you also know who they are. Senselessly cutting someone's talent to shreds for no aparent reason is not constructive critizism or healthy feedback. Obviously, if you were one of the ones that DID NOT imply such a post, then I wasn't referring to you...... Make sense?

You may want to take a closer look at who's doing the conclusive, catergorial "lumping" here, and making the "quick uninformed statements".

Got mirrors?!

Don.

D. Slam
09-08-2004, 11:31 PM
Hey for all of you who do not like the posts, just stay off the darn board and quit complaining. Someone asked for feedback and it is being given. Quit the Holier than thou comments. There is actually very good debate going on. If you do not like it go read something else, no one is forcing anybody to read what is here.

Hi Kirk,

Did you not like my post? If not, you might want to take your own advice...

Make sense?

Don.

D. Slam
09-09-2004, 12:06 AM
D.Slam,
have you ever noticed that the greatest drummers all have the ability to blow us away with their talent, yet do so in a tasteful way? God, I wish I had Billy Cobhams hands, especially from "Birds of Fire". I probably never will, so all I can do is appreciate his speed. I do not, however appreciate any song that is played entirely as a drum solo, it gets boring after about 30 seconds. Vinnie, Gadd, Tony Williams and so on made their impact because of their feel and their ability to make the song soud great. Buddy and Williams kept busy time, yes, but never overplayed and took away from the music. Ask any drummer who knows anything, if steve Gadd is known for his deep groove (The Hustle, Chuck E's in Love, Late in the Evening) or his ability to play a 32nd note Paradiddle for 16 straight bars, and the'll all tell you the same thing...its the GROVE. A guy like Evan, if he combines a nice feel with some of those killer fills every now and then, could make a living as a drummer if he wants to.
I'll say it again, Alan Dawson and Gary Chaffee both say (said ) the same thing. As a matter of fact, pick up Gary Chaffees Time Functioning book and on the CD, one of the first thing he says is that playing fast and loud are amongst the least important things. One last thing...heres a PARTIAL list of Alan Dawsons former students...Tony Williams, Terri Lyne Carrington, Steve Smith, Joe LaBarbera, Joe Corsello, Kenwood Dennard, John "J.R." Robinson, Casey Scheuerell, Harvey Mason, Vinnie Colaiuta, Keith Copeland, Jake Hanna, Bobby Ward, Akira Tana just to name a few.

Hi peterad,

How are you? Much of what you say makes a lot of sense and I hear you loud and clear.

My point is this: You wrote: "The FIRST thing they both told me is that speed and power mean nothing,"

What I'm saying is Speed and Power mean a lot when you want or need to be fast and powerful. Do you suggest that speed and power does not play a major role in Virgil's playing? Would ANYONE here dare deny that those are two of his strongest drumming traits among the many others?

Whether you like the music or not, without speed and power, we wouldn't have metal, thrash, fusion or even some forms of rock n roll. These are two characteristics that make these styles of music what they are. Mahavishnu, Return To Forever Were not bands where the drummers that played in them could totally finesse their way through the music. The two formentioned attributes used by these drummers ABSOLUTELY played a major role in making those bands what they were musically.

Speed and power surely is NOT the complete package by any means. But to make the statement that they "mean nothing" is just WAY, WAY over the top. It just doesn't hold water. Just because someone legendary said it doesn't necessarily make it so.

NOW, if you want to talk about using speed and power in a tasteful way, then that's a whole different subject.

Don.

D. Slam
09-09-2004, 01:05 AM
Where is the moderator? Why hasnt this shit been removed? This has nothing to do with drumming and all to do with egos and one upmanship. End this thread now please. This kind of crap destroys message boards and communities. i thought this site would be different.......

Hi Setite,

People are going to disagree, just like you just did. That's just the way we humans are. Things have not gotten to the point where the subject matter needs to be censored...

I think it has a lot more to do with ego... There's nothing wrong with taking some pride in your accomplishments. Nevesis was eager to share a piece of his talent and skill with us and some tore into him like he'd just murdered a family member.

The first one he simply laughed off: "my eight year old can play that". Then someone actually said that he didn't send in any grooves because he couldn't groove.

And this one: "Automatically assuming that since someone really finds your playing to be rather tasteless and lacking of the most important thing, the groove (and no, not your used-up 1+a 2+a on the hi-hat/ride, 1's and the last 16th note of ever four quarters on the bass drum, and ghost/grace notes on your snare)." Telling him he's ripping off Dennis Chambers. Hey, the way I look at it if that's the case, at least he's able to do it!

But I ask you, would you call this constructive? Who needs that kind of "feedback"?

He posted those clips in good faith I'm sure, not realizing some would attempt to tear him a new relief valve. I'll admit, I didn't like some of Nev's reactive comments but I understand that he was hurt and angered. EMPATHY! There's not enough of it! How would you like it if you shared a clip of your playing with your peers and some of them let you have it like that?

Why don't some of you send in a little sumpn, sumpn and see what kind of reaction you get?

Don.

P.S. If the eight year old comment was meant as simply a poke in fun, then I apologize to you.

P.P.S. Another thing, In referrence to Virgils premium material, how on Gods green earth can you tell some one they shouldn't be selling drugs, and then turn around and buy some from them? :confused:

kirk
09-09-2004, 08:26 AM
D Slam, my comment about people complaining(the last comment) was not to you, make sense? Might want to know who I was talking to before assuming I was refering to you. And you did not specify when you you said that the comments were garbage and malicious. You made a blanket statement. You did not say SOME or a FEW were making the comments but that THE comments were Junk period. Your post was written in a very "lumping" everone together tone. But I believeyour sincerity 100% when saying it was not made to everyone in general. :D Again most guy's on here are sincere and helpful and do not have a problem heaping out praise, but WHEN asked they also will give HELPFUL critique. And I was also quick to point out that sarcasm and being nasty for the sake of just doing it to make someone feel bad is not NEEDED on the board.

I have been on this board from the beginning, were talking back in the 90's and have always come against malicious behavior consistently. I belong to a few other GREAT boards and guy's are always posting their work and asking for critique and it is always given AND received in a proper manner, and this board is for the most part the same. MOST here are wonderful guy's who are quick to help out with info, give positive feedback, help critique in a positive manner, share and give their music freely to others etc. And by the way you have made some great posts in the past, very insightful ;)

Take Care Kirk

D. Slam
09-09-2004, 09:59 AM
;) D Slam, my comment about people complaining(the last comment) was not to you, make sense? Might want to know who I was talking to before assuming I was refering to you. And you did not specify when you you said that the comments were garbage and malicious. You made a blanket statement. You did not say SOME or a FEW were making the comments but that THE comments were Junk period. Your post was written in a very "lumping" everone together tone. But I believeyour sincerity 100% when saying it was not made to everyone in general. :D Again most guy's on here are sincere and helpful and do not have a problem heaping out praise, but WHEN asked they also will give HELPFUL critique. And I was also quick to point out that sarcasm and being nasty for the sake of just doing it to make someone feel bad is not NEEDED on the board.

I have been on this board from the beginning, were talking back in the 90's and have always come against malicious behavior consistently. I belong to a few other GREAT boards and guy's are always posting their work and asking for critique and it is always given AND received in a proper manner, and this board is for the most part the same. MOST here are wonderful guy's who are quick to help out with info, give positive feedback, help critique in a positive manner, share and give their music freely to others etc. And by the way you have made some great posts in the past, very insightful ;)

Take Care Kirk

Hi Kirk,

Yes, that does make sense. For any misunderstanding on my part concerning what you wrote, I apologize. I probably should have been more specific. I do understand how you could have taken it as a blanket statement, though I surely didn't mean it that way. 95% of the folks that post here I think are great including yourself. It's up to that majority to keep this forum clean and fair.

You da man Kirk. :cool:

Don.

D.W.A.
09-09-2004, 02:14 PM
i think i speak for kirk and a few others when i say this: i dont know nevesis personally.......but ive been on this site and ive cruzed around pearl's forums a bit. nevesis comes off as being a cocky ass big head.which........everyone has their own personalitys. but to must people...they dont like that.......especially when the persons able to play the same stuff.......if not more........im sure we all like nevesis's drumming........i pearsonally like his kick speed..and wondering if he can pull off doubles(i know i barely can ). but being cool says a lot too...being humble. if you know your good....why say''i know im good''.personally when someone asks if im good.............i dunno what to say.and am somewhat embarrased, and just tell them ''i leave that to the listener''.i agree.their is probrably kids on these forums...that just like to start shit....but some of your comebacks to comments,nevesis, reminded me of such.i dunno.maybe its a new york thing.............but being cocky..usually breeds bad comments......and to taking more time in finding the ''bad parts'' of the material you submitted. heres a compareson (may not be a good one.but try to see my point)............its like seeing a hot chick.....and meeting her..........and finding out shes a bitch.......kind of takes away her looks doesnt it.

D. Slam
09-09-2004, 03:44 PM
i think i speak for kirk and a few others when i say this: i dont know nevesis personally.......but ive been on this site and ive cruzed around pearl's forums a bit. nevesis comes off as being a cocky ass big head.which........everyone has their own personalitys. but to must people...they dont like that.......especially when the persons able to play the same stuff.......if not more........im sure we all like nevesis's drumming........i pearsonally like his kick speed..and wondering if he can pull off doubles(i know i barely can ). but being cool says a lot too...being humble. if you know your good....why say''i know im good''.personally when someone asks if im good.............i dunno what to say.and am somewhat embarrased, and just tell them ''i leave that to the listener''.i agree.their is probrably kids on these forums...that just like to start shit....but some of your comebacks to comments,nevesis, reminded me of such.i dunno.maybe its a new york thing.............but being cocky..usually breeds bad comments......and to taking more time in finding the ''bad parts'' of the material you submitted. heres a compareson (may not be a good one.but try to see my point)............its like seeing a hot chick.....and meeting her..........and finding out shes a bitch.......kind of takes away her looks doesnt it.

D.W.A. I know exactly what you mean and I understand you. I just met and talked to Nev yesterday. I cannot make a assesment of the man's character in such a short time. So I will not judge him. I did catch a bit of that cockiness from him... BUT!!! (Big but here) I do understand that much of that came from being on the defensive and feeling that some here were attempting to tear him down. He didn't come in on his opening post as being cocky, so why wasn't he at least given the benefit of the doubt?

As you all know, I tried calming him a bit and I told him to remain humble. I've been doing this a really long time and believe me, I can hold my own. That's not bragging either, I've put in the work for 37 years and still am to this very day. In fact, I'm working much harder now, to be the best that I can. Blood, sweat, heartache and many broken drumsticks. I know where I stand no matter what anyone says... If I know I've performed badly, no number of compliments in the universe can convince me otherwise.

I've also been around long enough to realize that there is and ALWAYS will be someone, somewhere that's better than I am. This deal is a life long lesson and none of us will ever learn it all in our earthly lifetime. But, that doesn't necessarily mean we shouldn't try. All we can do is work to be the best that WE can be. There can be no regrets in that.

Things will change with all of you as you get older, things will change with Nev. In my younger years, I flexed my muscles too! I still do from time to time. make no mistake about it, the ole' boy's still got a few tricks up his sleeve. :D But I know where I stand at the moment, and I'm just trying to contribute what I can from behind the drumset and try to have some fun while doing it. And in the process, learn from all of you what I can.

I've outgrown the ego trips a long time ago and so will many of you, or die miserable.

All the best folks,

Don.

P.S. in case any of you are curious, I'm 47.

PolyOstinato
09-09-2004, 07:26 PM
Nicely put Kirk, D.Slam and D.W.A.!

Fatcontroller
09-13-2004, 02:00 PM
WHOOOOOAAAAA. You folks need to chill out. Evan, you can't just go off your head because people give you criticism. I don't think this place was set up to allow drummers to bitch at each other as to whose better. Thats just petty pointless. Slamnovalis, Evan obviously takes his drumming seriously so try to use tact.

Any way, all spitefulness aside, any chance we could have a civilized conversation? We are all obviously still learning as are all drummers. The minute you think you know it all is when you fall flat on your face.

Hence I would like to actually get in contact with both of you and maybe we can all learn from each other. Lets not act like guitarists here. Share the knowledge like virgil and all the other greats.

drop me a line if you want some info.

D. Slam
09-13-2004, 02:11 PM
WHOOOOOAAAAA. You folks need to chill out. Evan, you can't just go off your head because people give you criticism. I don't think this place was set up to allow drummers to bitch at each other as to whose better. Thats just petty pointless. Slamnovalis, Evan obviously takes his drumming seriously so try to use tact.

Any way, all spitefulness aside, any chance we could have a civilized conversation? We are all obviously still learning as are all drummers. The minute you think you know it all is when you fall flat on your face.

Hence I would like to actually get in contact with both of you and maybe we can all learn from each other. Lets not act like guitarists here. Share the knowledge like virgil and all the other greats.

drop me a line if you want some info.

"any chance we could have a civilized conversation? We are all obviously still learning as are all drummers. The minute you think you know it all is when you fall flat on your face."

I think that's a great idea Fatcontroller! Probably the best way to do that is let what happened and what was said a week ago fizzle and die and move on to more productive subjects.

To continue to bring this stuff up at this point is just beating a dead horse, I feel.

Don.

vdreignsuponus1
09-13-2004, 03:27 PM
yeah, ive been ignoring this thread for quite some time. i couldve sworn it ended a while ago. but then i look at it and ppl r STILL posting this crap!

come on guys! give it a rest! we're all musicians here! lets just respect each other a move along!

nevesis
09-13-2004, 05:13 PM
Trust me I wish people would stop posting too! Its done with, and over.

New better clips will be put up soon putting all the haters to rest.

This never got out of control because of criticism toward me, it started out by people attacking what I could and couldnt do without ever having seen me play or know my full ability.

D.W.A.
09-13-2004, 08:14 PM
what about us all (or whoevers intrested)....get on yahoo......trade some licks and what not..........at least its live and has voice ;)

alencore
09-15-2004, 10:58 AM
nevesis is awesome!!! god the kid has well oiled limbs. may be even chambers and donati will get their heads shaking if they get to view his vids. and i'm totally sure with such amazing chops comes deeper grooving ability. he did play some few bars of my favorite half time shuffle groove. i wonder how many gf or groupies you have so far nevs...hahaha..heard them screaming on the other vid...LOL!

just don't share those precious premium files again ok. just share them exclusively to me...HAHAHA!!!

vdreignsuponus1
09-15-2004, 11:03 AM
what?! premium files?! i wanna see!!!!!!!:D or is this something ive already seen?

D.W.A.
09-15-2004, 08:21 PM
nevesis is awesome!!! god the kid has well oiled limbs. may be even chambers and donati will get their heads shaking if they get to view his vids. and i'm totally sure with such amazing chops comes deeper grooving ability. he did play some few bars of my favorite half time shuffle groove. i wonder how many gf or groupies you have so far nevs...hahaha..heard them screaming on the other vid...LOL!

just don't share those precious premium files again ok. just share them exclusively to me...HAHAHA!!!
better hope he doesnt back up man...........someone will have to preform surgery lol...........j/k

alencore
09-15-2004, 10:57 PM
what?! premium files?! i wanna see!!!!!!!:D or is this something ive already seen?
naughty naughty vd!...hehe. seriously, i won't dl them if ever someone do post them again on other forums or sites. you know it's our way of respect to THE MAN.

@DWA...well, i'm sure those premium files are already roaming around the net. it's tempting to get them but i won't. i'll just dl porn...HAHAHA!

wcm_ambas
09-17-2004, 10:06 AM
common guys!! we should respect each other, nevesis is cool!!! he works very hard just to reach that ability, and then there you are criticizing the man, that's not good men, we need to respect each other here specially in our own opinions, we're drummers. hope these thread will gonna end.

alencore
09-17-2004, 04:22 PM
no, war is good business...ngek?!

Drumblast
09-17-2004, 10:27 PM
Hey Nev,

I DL a couple of clips, and I think you rock. I heard some nice grooves mixed in a bit, it would be nice to stay with them a bit more for the common man.
I read some of your responses, you're in your early twenties, that pretty much sums that up.

Get in a good band. Record some decent music. Don't spend too much time soloing, spend time writing some tunes with your mates. You will always be able to solo.

Also, try to work up some "song" solos, ala Grant Collins.

Anyway keep up the good work. More people will see you play with a band, than wanking drum solos by yourself. :D