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peter
07-30-2003, 08:04 PM
Christopher,

Would Virgil consider doing an educational
Play-Along CD for his many 'remote students'?

Billy Cobham did one, which has been very
helpful to his followers, of which I am one. It
was very effective. As you know, he's quite
a composer, as well as a drummer.

Other drummers have done them but I think
that few could cover the material of the kind
that Virgil could put out on behalf of his many
devotees, especially with his compositional
talent, which just lends itself to his approach.

I can see great educational value in such a
project. Drummers everywhere would seek it
out in order to better themselves as real
students of the craft.

I'm sure everyone here at the site would
agree with me - that such an offering would
be embraced with open arms.

What do you think?

peter
07-30-2003, 08:52 PM
Christopher,

It could even be of previously
recorded material, the original
track, followed by the version
without the drum track for the
students.

Again, I think would be great.
Virgil is an encyclopedia of music
and rhythm. He could spit this
stuff out, with no problem at all
and his fans would love him even
more, he'd get paid more and
everyone would be happy, not
to mention the satisfaction that
Virgil would get from motivating
many more drummers. :D

Milo Porto
07-30-2003, 11:50 PM
.....sounds like a brilliant idea...cant wait to get my hands on one of them...but it would take lots of practice to play exactly what virgil does on his tracks....hmmm... just thinking bout it makes me head spin!!:D

Milo Porto
07-30-2003, 11:53 PM
peter, i so agree with your signiture....to virgil, a drummer who is changing the world.....:D

peter
07-31-2003, 04:39 AM
I think that the first thing Virgil would
want for us is to conceive a correct
part for the rhythm and kicks. He would
want us to be musical. THEN he'd want
the embellishment.

It could be a 2CD set, including the not-
ation for each of the tunes, not necessarily
the part. I don't think he wants us to clone
each of his parts, although it would not be
a bad thing to know what he did on them.
The jury's out on that but the music would
be a definite.

I have noticed that the hard-edged rhythms
really help to drive home the pulse, while
allowing us to experiment with the metric
pattern. In other words. it's like a sledge
hammer is beating you down in 4, while
you're trying to play in 3. You need this, if
you're going to step out of the line the way
Virgil does. That's what I'm hoping for.

jimi
07-31-2003, 02:24 PM
There is no news of a CD/DVD but this is certainly an option for Virg's book which is in the making, my !GUESS! is that there will be a book with an audio cd accompanying it. Chris will let us know for sure as soon as he hears!!

Christopher
07-31-2003, 03:47 PM
Guys, all I can say is ... GET PREPARED.

There I said it. But you saw it here first!

:)

kirk
07-31-2003, 05:05 PM
Christopher now you are getting us all cranked up man:D You know our minds our going to be spinning out of control form here on out till we see and hear something fresh. I bet you are loving it, keeping us on the edge:D Anyways the way you say it I am sure it will be VERY COOL! Hopefully an instructional dvd or a new recording with a Virgil lineup, either one I do not care I will take it all. Thanks for the little bit of heads up man, take care.


Regards Kirk

peter
07-31-2003, 05:18 PM
Oh, man!!!

Could it be???

Line drive, hit deep to left center...

It's way back...

It's going... going...

Christopher
07-31-2003, 07:57 PM
Kirk, you guys are gonna kill me. But I love you all.

You guys will be very happy, TRUST ME. I won't work you guys up.........yet.

:)

Cheers guys!

kirk
07-31-2003, 08:19 PM
Go ahead WORK US UP! Christopher we can take it we promise,
just keep on telling us how Awesome it is going to be.:D actually you teasing us with what you know gives us something to hang on and think about, kind of gives us abit to chew, a little
sustanance for the wait.;) By the way great job with the new messageboard, we appreciate your hard work.

regards Kirk

Fede
07-31-2003, 10:19 PM
I doubt a play-along cd from Virgil would be much use to anyone....what would you play? The same as Virgil? - Yeah Right!

I, for one, wouldn't have a clue where to begin. There are no other drummers I can think of that play stuff that I would be completely stuck right from the beginning, when trying to copy...

I simply wouldn't know what to do with a Virgil play-along CD...

peter
08-01-2003, 06:30 AM
"I doubt a play-along cd from
Virgil would be much use to
anyone....what would you play?
The same as Virgil? - Yeah Right!"

Fede, I can understand part of
your sentiment. After all, who can
deny just how high the bar has
been set by Virgil?

I remember how I felt the first
time I saw him, just how over-
whelmed I was at what he was
doing with his feet and then the
combinations with them and his
hands! It was almost too much.

At the same time, he himself has
said at his clinics that we must NOT
harbor in that place of wonder for
too long, if were serious about
playing the drums. I think he's
trying to tell us that he's just a
precedent and that there's a
future like his for us, if you are
of like mind and want it.

I don't think the the purpose
for "play-alongs" is to 'duplicate'
what's been done by the artist.
They're "set-up material" and
designed to provide a similar
backdrop found by the artist to
have helped in 'drawing out' their
ideas, both technically and in terms
of composition.

Again, these driving rhythms and
in their metric fixture, give us very
definite markers for time and the
kicks contained in them. Like the
OTV stuff, for instance. This stuff
really cuts ice and inside it, I be-
lieve we can begin to 'feel' these
ideas that Virgil has had. I think
he wants that for us, believe it
or not. He's already on the road
to becoming the greatest clinician
ever, in my humble opinion but
he wants to reach more people.

"I, for one, wouldn't have a clue
where to begin. There are no other
drummers I can think of that play
stuff that I would be completely
stuck right from the beginning,
when trying to copy..."

In the material, Virgil will provide
encouraging verbage. I think he'll
tell us exactly 'where' to begin and
that's at 'the beginning'. When you
learn new tunes, the first thing you
do is get at the feel. Then there's
the attacking of the form. AFTER that,
there's the embellishment and of
course, that's what we're all (every
one us) gawking at, with him! Again,
however, note that this is NOT at
the beginning of our task.

"I simply wouldn't know what to do
with a Virgil play-along CD..."

You say that, Fede but I don't think
you give yourself enough credit. I
think (Correct me if I'm wrong, Virgil),
he would tell us not to sell ourselves
short and that we can do whatever
we put our minds to. When you start
at the beginning, you start at the
right place. Trust me.

There are many things that I can do
as a drummer now that I thought I
could never do. Other players look
at me and say that they can't imagine
doing what I do. I ALWAYS tell them
that they can do it. They just haven't
YET. I'm sure you're a fine drummer
and are on the road.

Virgil is that fork in the road that, lucky
enough for us, we've found, when we
did. Now, our lives will never be the
same. We know that what was not
possible in the past, is now possible
and Virgil has proven it.

Me.2
08-01-2003, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by Fede


I, for one, wouldn't have a clue where to begin. There are no other drummers I can think of that play stuff that I would be completely stuck right from the beginning, when trying to copy...

I simply wouldn't know what to do with a Virgil play-along CD...

As Adults we THINK too much.....we always put obsticales in our way and are our own worse enemy.

When the package comes out.....watch the young kids soak it up.......NO thought to the complexity of whats going on but..".yeah this is the Norm and i can do it".

No matter how many great players come up...young kids pick this stuff up and take to it like ducks to water...WHY?............because they dont THINK about it but just do it.

peter
08-01-2003, 08:13 AM
Me.2,

There's wisdom in what you say.

Virgil is the next step, a giant one
but still a next step.

jimi
08-01-2003, 01:29 PM
So Chris we are still waiting!!! Man i'm gona lose so much sleep thinking about this!! Letsseewhatcoulditbeidontknow!advdmaybe4hrslongmygodcoolicantwaitjesustheybetterreleasethethingsoonIMGONACRACKUP!!!!!

Christopher
08-01-2003, 08:19 PM
Youre breaking the msgboard! :)

jimi
08-02-2003, 02:59 PM
It's soo cool being a fan of a living master of drums, there's always a future new mind-blowing release to look forward too! Virg treats his fans well:)

rythmtroll
08-10-2003, 08:58 AM
i like girls

jimi
08-10-2003, 10:13 AM
Um ... good for you.