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stevengadams
07-02-2004, 06:42 AM
Hi Guys and Girls.
Can anyone out there help me. I have a Tama Iron Cobra double pedal, about 6 months old, and i cant get the setup correct. What i mean is that its almost totally unresponsive (the right one!). It seems to die against the skin. How sould I set it up - the tension of the spring (should it be tight, slack or in between?), the weight on the beater, height of the beater, pedal angle etc, or maybe should i tighten my bass skin to get it to return better. Any suggestions would be welcomed. How to you people have yours set up?
Thanks for your help :confused:

peter
07-02-2004, 12:57 PM
OK. Don't fret. This is a fine pedal.

Answer these questions for me:

Is it the original beater?

What is the angle of the beater to
the floor?

What is the spring tension set to?

peter
07-02-2004, 08:29 PM
Start from scratch, with the spring
at the loosest tension, pulling back
the beater to 45-degrees, against
the floor. Make sure that you have
the angles all consistent, from the
right to the left pedal.

Let's see how this feels.

Lad.
07-02-2004, 09:40 PM
Damn, Peter should be a pedal technician.
Though I could use some "tech" ing for studio time.
Where are you from Peter?

Lad.
07-02-2004, 09:41 PM
Wait, on second though, you should sit in for the session, haha.
Not really. I hate when bands do that.

jimi
07-03-2004, 11:37 AM
No cams on the cobras Peter, i actually had a problem between getting the optimum double stroke feel, and getting the best single stroke response too. Luckily i ditched the cobras and have eliminators on the way, so i can continue my experiments with them! :)

peter
07-03-2004, 12:45 PM
No cams on the cobras Peter, i actually had a problem between getting the optimum double stroke feel, and getting the best single stroke response too. Luckily i ditched the cobras and have eliminators on the way, so i can continue my experiments with them! :)

Sorry, Jimi. Of course you are right.
Having a baby makes it hard for me
to get enough sleep and I crossed up
my replies. I'm always fielding questions
on pedals these days! Forgive me.

Finding the right mix is a more difficult
thing. I have said it before but moving
down the footboard is what has worked
for me. I have increased power and also
beater action. Yes, it takes more control
but that is constantly developed and if
I need to control the dynamics, I just go
heel down, which is most natural for me.

Soon, I will have a video set-up that will
allow me to show you what I am doing
and a whole lot better than before.

As for pedal design, I believe in Darryl's
Longboards. They do it all for me. Having
the extra footboard allows me to get as
much action from that pedal as possible.
Of course, I think that you can tweak
most pedals for better action. I'm just
saying that the Axis A Longboard is the
optimum pedal, for me.

In another post, I mentioned the new
BOA or Gatzen Pedal, which is coming
from DW and it could be as soon as the
end of this year. I do not like the foot-
board design of DW's BUT this pedal is
looking like something new and the idea
of no springs and bow-flex action is a
mind-boggling one, to be sure. I will be
looking forward to trying these.

I hope I can keep from buying another
Axis-A Longboard before trying them.

Finally, I'll say again that, for the money,
there appears to be nothing like the vers-
atiity of the Pearl Eliminator - especially
with the new Purple and Yellow cams,
which I expect any day.



;)

peter
07-03-2004, 12:47 PM
I just observe and ask a lot of questions,
if not of others; of myself.

I learn A LOT from you guys! Believe me!

jimi
07-04-2004, 03:24 AM
Cool Peter, no apology needed at all! I can't wait to Father a child, it saddens me that Virgil had to turn down something like that in life for the persuance of his drumming life :(
Anyways, way off the point there, as drummers improve and the novelty of dexterity with the feet wears off, i wonder what will take its place!

mgray
07-04-2004, 07:22 AM
Hello everyone!

I may have missed this somewhere else, and I don't know if you guys have discussed it yet, but I know that you'll all have no problem talking about drum stuff with another Virgil fan. Do you guys play your pedals on the felt beater, or do you turn the beater head around like Virgil does? I noticed that he has the beaters like that on his 1997 Modern Drummer Video. Also, do you guys put anything on your bass drum heads to alter the sound of the kick noise? For a really heavy drive, an AWESOME low-end BANG and actually, a great sound altogether, I put quarters on the bass drum beater heads, as well as the two spots on the bass drum head where the beaters will hit. I find that it really makes the bass drum sound heavier, and there is a metal-on-metal clash when you kick. It's really interesting if you've never tried it before, and I think that it actually adds a feeling of sturdiness in the bass drum head, and i think you can get a good bounce off of the quarters. I find it is easier to play double strokes and do other galloping bass drum exercises, as well as songs. I play a lot of metal, although in my opinion, it sounds great for any kind of music. We're just playing a big game of preference here, guys! Also, I was wondering, how many of you have heard of Grant Collins? His skills on the bass drums just amaze me. Also, if you like polyrhythmic linear drumming, he's very similar to guys like Terry Bozzio. Cheers guys, keep drumming!

Lad.
07-04-2004, 02:43 PM
Jimi, have you tried a buttplug for that leak?

peter
07-04-2004, 09:53 PM
I use the plastic sides of the quad, myself.

mgray
07-05-2004, 11:31 AM
That's great, Peter. I'm just curious, but do you find the plastic side of the quad to be more responsive with your style of playing? Or is your preference a mixture of feel and the sound that you get out of the bass drum? Cheers.

Lad.
07-05-2004, 01:10 PM
Peter awaits purple and yellow cams, while I await Halo 2 for XBOX.
Sorta the same feeling. Speaking of which...what is it that is supposed to be so special about those two colored cams? Are they like modified nautilus shapes from hell or are they more linear with a little more "umph" to them?

peter
07-06-2004, 08:06 PM
Mgray,

I'm on a digital kit, now. It just wears
better but if I were on acoustic, I'd like
the edge on the head that I'd get.

The red cam is designed for the highest
response but it gets the least power.
The blue gives that extra umph but
it's harder on the leg and feet. The
purple is supposed to be in between
the red and the blue! :)

The Yellow is interesting because of
the sharp drop. That might give it the
extra added action that the larger
black and white are missing, though
the black is quite good.

The yellow mght be the surprise of
the two. I want to try it too.

Of course, you heard what Christopher
had to say about the purple.

stevengadams
07-07-2004, 03:06 AM
Thanks for your reply. Yeah, its the original beater. I havent replaced anything on the pedal.

The beater angle is about 45 degrees, slightly less if anything.

Ive currently set the spring tension as high as possible, only because i thought this would cause it to come back quicker from the head. The beater is striking the skin dead centre.

The weight on the beater is at the bottom of the beater arm, close to the chain.

What would you recommend i change so it responds like it should? :confused:

OK. Don't fret. This is a fine pedal.

Answer these questions for me:

Is it the original beater?

What is the angle of the beater to
the floor?

What is the spring tension set to?

jimi
07-07-2004, 12:32 PM
Jimi, have you tried a buttplug for that leak?

No leak Lad, so nope no buttplug. You ok?

peter
07-07-2004, 02:43 PM
OK. You should not have to tighten all the way
to get the beater to respond. I would adjust and
pull the beater back a few degrees. Try the ten-
sion at a little more than slack. Get it so that
the angle of the beater in naturally pulling it
back, after the strike. Let's what happens.

mgray
07-07-2004, 07:29 PM
Thanks for your reply, Peter.

Although I already knew which cams did what, your explanation was still welcome. I was just curious as to what you prefer in the feel for your bass drum pedal, as well as the response from the head. Do you like the feel better on an electronic kit? I saw a post of yours earlier, and you said that you like to be able to play whenever and mostly wherever you want, and that is a huge advantage, and I didn't know if those were the only reasons why you don't play acoustic. I knew that you were on an electronic kit; I have seen the videos that you have posted. My next big investment will be an electronic kit, because the sky is the limit with them, especially if you know what you're doing. Hopefully, that won't be too far in the future for me. Oh, one last thing, you can call me Matt if you like, mgray is just my silly username, because I couldn't think of anything else. :D Thanks again, and keep playing. Cheers.

peter
07-07-2004, 10:47 PM
Hey, Matt. :)

Those videos were a while
ago and before I started on
double-kick.

Soon, I will have more video
to show you and where I will
be able to show you exactly
what I have been doing, es-
pecially on the kicks.

I have gravitated to the Red
Cams, when using the Elimin-
ators. I like the Axis-A pedals
the best, however. I only have
one of those, though. I will be
buying another one soon.

My Eliminator is set up with
the spring at the loosest ten-
sion, Power Shifter set all the
way in and the beater at 45-
degrees. I use the plastic side
of the quad-beater.

As for my e-kit, I use it be-
cause I have to, not because
I want to. It's easy to record
with and work on, at all hours
of the day. I would prefer an
acoustic kit but there's no
room in this house.

:)

stevengadams
07-08-2004, 04:29 AM
Thanks Peter. Ill give it a go and let you know

peter
07-08-2004, 03:22 PM
Steve,

Remember to have the angles all equal,
from the pedals to the crossbar etc. I
remember someone mentioning this and
they were absolutely right.

D. Slam
07-08-2004, 03:52 PM
Cool Peter, no apology needed at all! I can't wait to Father a child, it saddens me that Virgil had to turn down something like that in life for the persuance of his drumming life :(
Anyways, way off the point there, as drummers improve and the novelty of dexterity with the feet wears off, i wonder what will take its place!


"it saddens me that Virgil had to turn down something like that in life for the persuance of his drumming life :("

Interesting comment... I don't know what the details behind it are (if any) but it sounds simply like Virgil made a choice. And if He's happy with the choice(s) he made, why should any of us be sad.

Something I always stress: To gain is to lose! To get something, you've got to give something, or give up something... Such is life.

I'm married 25 years now and have two boys. I wouldn't change that for anything else in the world. But surely there was sacrifice in other areas of my life. There are no regrets. And if there are no regrets with Virgil for the decision and choice he's made not to have children, then we need not be saddened. :)

If I am missing a point that has been previously made, then please excuse me and my comments.

D.

metalheadrummer
07-17-2004, 04:08 PM
Halo 2 looks like a good game... Where can i buy these video's?