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FromDeathToLife
05-13-2004, 01:27 PM
Hi. I'm new here. I just bought the Axis and was going to sell the Eliminator. Sadly I don't really like the Axis. :( Too light. I was wondering if the DW 5000 or 9000 are heavy and fast? Does the 5000 allow me to adjust the footboard and beater angle seperately? I play from jazz to melodic death metal. Also, have you guys heard of VRUK? What do you think? Thank you for your time. :)

peter
05-13-2004, 01:52 PM
Hi. I'm new here. I just bought the Axis and was going to sell the Eliminator. Sadly I don't really like the Axis. :( Too light. I was wondering if the DW 5000 or 9000 are heavy and fast? Does the 5000 allow me to adjust the footboard and beater angle seperately? I play from jazz to melodic death metal. Also, have you guys heard of VRUK? What do you think? Thank you for your time. :)

Hmm. Which Axis do you have and are they Twins?

Let me suggest that you not buy pedals that you
have not tried. They really are all different animals.

What is it about the Eliminator that you don't like?

As for the VRUK's, I have two of them. Check out
the video in my thread on the Axis-A. Do a Search
and you will find it.

Let's talk about all of this.

FromDeathToLife
05-13-2004, 02:43 PM
Maybe it's me. For one I try to move the beater closer to the head and the pedal lowers. I would like to be able to do this seperately. I heard the Axis was the best for speed. I have the A-2 Longboard double pedal.

peter
05-13-2004, 05:55 PM
On the Axis, we can change the height and distance
in a way that might be more to your liking but you don't
seem to like the direct-drive action.

Do you have an Axis-A or Axis-X pedal? If they are A's
and you do not like them, even after we work on them,
let's talk about me taking them off your hands. I like
them but they have to be the A's.

Now, as for the Eliminator, the strap or chain has a hex
that can be loosened and then the strap or chain can be
pulled up to get the board higher BUT remember that they
are interconnected - these two parts of the pedal and so
you are going to see the footboard height change, when
the beater gets closer to the head. You need to work
with this more and get to a place, where it is working
for you. We might still be able to salvage your situation.

FromDeathToLife
05-13-2004, 07:06 PM
I have the Axis-A. I have heard so much about it being amazingly fast. I play faster on my Pearl in a way. I worked on it tonight for a few hours. I will give it this weekend and if I'm just not comfortable I will probably return it and consider another pedal like the DW 5000 or something. Thanks again.

peter
05-14-2004, 05:27 AM
FDTL,

I can see you a man of few words. It's hard to
tell what you have done and why. Playing 'faster'
doesn't say much about the feel of the pedal and
why it it might be working or not working for you.

Listen. I have written a GREAT DEAL about the
Axis-A pedals. Read the thread and learn about
the pedal. Work with the VDL. Understand the
concept. If you have any questions about what
I wrote about there, I'd be glad to help.

That goes for the Eliminator, DW5K and Iron Cobra,
as well. I have or have had them all.

stapper15
05-14-2004, 06:07 AM
@peter-i hear everyone on here is talking about Axis pedals. and form what everyone says it has really made me think about trying them out and giving them a test run! i use a different tech. "heal toe" and i need a big pedal to do this. are the axis longboards big enough to do this you think? my pedal is just giving out on me im 15 so i havnt fully grown lol and i wear a sice 10 shoe. also what axis should i look into to benfit for heal toe? not to long ago i was at my local drum store and they had this DW pedal there im not sure what seires but it the the back of the pedal was rasied maybe half a inch? do you know anything about that pedal?

stapper

peter
05-14-2004, 08:41 AM
Stapper,

You should check out the VRUK video in my thread
on the Axis-A Longboard, which you should try.

Let me know what you think.

stapper15
05-14-2004, 11:20 AM
@peter... those look striaght up sick! haha but i saw in the next post under it you siad the are not for sell anymore :( . but if i cant buy thos or whatever i was coming up with some concepts of mine that revolve around that idea.
Thanks alot peter!

stapper

peter
05-14-2004, 01:07 PM
The VRUK is wild!

There is a lot of physics behind the thing and
what Tim (Drumcanman) can do with it is just
mind-boggling! I have to write him about his
video, which he was supposed to come out
with. I'll let you know what he says.

stapper15
05-14-2004, 01:22 PM
peter

this will work with any pedal right?

peter
05-14-2004, 04:50 PM
That is correct, Stapper.

FromDeathToLife
05-14-2004, 08:02 PM
Yeah, I am interested in that video as well. ;) I was working on the Axis today. Still trying to get the right adjustment. I am also going to try moving my seat up a little.

peter
05-14-2004, 08:26 PM
Yeah, I am interested in that video as well. ;) I was working on the Axis today. Still trying to get the right adjustment. I am also going to try moving my seat up a little.

You really want to get into the VDL, FDTL. This
is what the cams mimmick. I get a world of action,
when I fool with this.

I set up mine tonight, again and I found it a lot
easier to play. They are great pedals, in my opin-
ion. Of course, that's me. make sure the beater
angle is right. If you can, check out the links in
that thread as well as the photos.

Good luck.

FromDeathToLife
05-15-2004, 01:46 AM
Peter,

Thanks. I will.

Joshua

FromDeathToLife
05-15-2004, 01:53 AM
Peter,

What exactly do the spacers do? I noticed you have your beaters sticking out farther? On my Pearl I have mine lower. It's easier for control for me. I guess it's preference? I am going to buy some new springs tomorrow. Can't control the pedal being loose. I also am working on developing the heal-toe movement. I want to use the VRUK pedal like he does on the video. Amazing!

Joshua

peter
05-15-2004, 12:43 PM
Joshua,

What Vruk and Tim can do is amazing, yes. What
we must be able to do with THIS is use it, however
and that takes some work, let me tell you...

Without the VRUK, Virgil does what he does. Just
remember that. The VRUK is another animal, just as
heel-to-toe is another animal. Heel-to-toe motion
has to be allocated correctly, the heel taking the
down or upbeat etc. It is not an easy thing.

This is me without the VRUK on regular, blue-
cammed Eliminators, with the Shifter in the middle:

www.thediametrixletter.com/VisibleManx.mp3

You can do this. We all can. We have to develop
a powerful stroke. The beater, too close, takes
the power away. It's just physics.

If it's too hard to control, loosen the tension as
you back. If you tighten, as you go in, you will
sacrifice that power you need for the 2nd stroke.

Now, the spacers allow you to lift the footboard of
the Axis WITHOUT changing the beater distance.

FromDeathToLife
05-15-2004, 05:11 PM
Peter,

I have made a plan. I am returning the Axis. I gave some of my cymbals, etc. to a very good cause away. I am going to buy new hi-hats and a ride. I am going to 1. work with Eliminator & VRUK 2. pay for Virgil's courses and go through them. I am only 24. I need to budget. It's not the pedal, it's my feet. I have just gotten back into double bass drumming. I was playing for my church with a single pedal for a few years. But now I am forming a melodic/technical metal band now as well. I desire to play fast because of the music I like. 3 years a go I was in a death metal band. Got out of that and had to play fast. It' there, I just need to redevelop. I like that clip. That's what I am into. Thanks again. Take care. :)

peter
05-15-2004, 05:56 PM
Just work on Virgil's stuff. Be patient.
The Eliminator is a fine, fine pedal and
can help your just as much with that
pedal as I can with the Axis!

FromDeathToLife
05-19-2004, 04:24 PM
Peter,

I talked to the Axis designer about adjusting. He really helped me. I was adjusting the Axis. Man, it is smooth and fast. My Pearl slave has been feeling very sloppy. I think I am going to keep the Axis. Both pedals feel the same. I wil thoroughly work on them both this week and weekend and make the final decision on Monday. I think if I am persistent, start working with the VRUK and Virgil classes I will be happier with the Axis. The Axis designer wants Virgil to try them. I need to get the Tim Waterson video. 1407 BPM on the feet!!!!! Thanks Peter. :D

Joshua

peter
05-19-2004, 06:28 PM
Cool, Joshua!

I talk to Darryl quite a bit, actually and help
many of his customers work with the Axis-A
Longboard. I believe it is the superior pedal.
The VDL is a fantastic idea that helps us get
what we need from the pedal.

Good luck and anything I can do to help, let
me know. :)